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Re: new marantz PMD 661
« Reply #315 on: March 19, 2009, 02:48:28 PM »
I saw this in the remote powering forum under a r-09 thread
http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Universal-Portable-Polaroid-Closeout/dp/B0012NYC8A

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Re: new marantz PMD 661
« Reply #316 on: March 19, 2009, 02:51:22 PM »
^ That's the PP-99 I mentioned earlier.  Actually, in 5 or 6v mode, I think it's only 3000mah.  I ran my box the entire first night of Hampton on one of these.  ~4 hours.

The included adapta plug SUCKS and the 661 does not like it!  I had to hack an old Creative 5v wallwart that fits the 661 perfectly and then hack the cable that came with the PP-99.

At this price, I may just grab another.


edit - shipping is $7.95;  just grabbed 2...thanks for the head's up!
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Re: new marantz PMD 661
« Reply #317 on: March 19, 2009, 03:17:19 PM »
I saw this in the remote powering forum under a r-09 thread
http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Universal-Portable-Polaroid-Closeout/dp/B0012NYC8A

4000Mah
9.99

^ That's the PP-99 I mentioned earlier.  Actually, in 5 or 6v mode, I think it's only 3000mah.  I ran my box the entire first night of Hampton on one of these.  ~4 hours.

while that one looks nice and small (and inexpensive), if it's only giving us 3000mAH in 5 or 6v mode, then I think I'd prefer to just run internals (~2500mAH) and not deal with the extra box.  To make it worthwhile, I think the external needs to be a bit larger.

and what is the DC output voltage from the AC adapter?  5V?  6V?  I guess I can measure it when I get home in an hour or so, but was curious if anyone else had already measured it.

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Re: new marantz PMD 661
« Reply #318 on: March 19, 2009, 03:22:42 PM »
while that one looks nice and small (and inexpensive), if it's only giving us 3000mAH in 5 or 6v mode, then I think I'd prefer to just run internals (~2500mAH) and not deal with the extra box.  To make it worthwhile, I think the external needs to be a bit larger.

and what is the DC output voltage from the AC adapter?  5V?  6V?  I guess I can measure it when I get home in an hour or so, but was curious if anyone else had already measured it.


I prefer to run externals cuz I, personally, find it easier to deal with especially if the recorder is in a small bag.  Lowpro/headworn, I'd use internals no question.  I actually used a combination of internals and the external (PP99) that last two nights at Hampton. 

I'm almost 100% positive that the AC adapter outputs 5v.  That back of the 661 says "5v" as well. 
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Re: new marantz PMD 661
« Reply #319 on: March 19, 2009, 05:04:26 PM »
I'm almost 100% positive that the AC adapter outputs 5v.  That back of the 661 says "5v" as well. 

yes, it says 5V in both places (on the back of the deck and on the AC adapter).  and I just measured it at 5.14V with my multimeter.  I know some of those 6V packs that I listed above actually output close to 7V when fully charged... I wonder how much is too much for this deck... I'll probably go searching for a true 5V output external power supply.

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Re: new marantz PMD 661
« Reply #320 on: March 19, 2009, 05:41:18 PM »
There are some links in the 660 thread for externals.
Both the 660 and the 661 are 5v and consume about the same power.
I use a Tekkeon mp3450 for my 660.
It has selectable voltage from 5v to 19v.
You get 10000 mAh @ 5VDC.
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Re: new marantz PMD 661
« Reply #321 on: March 19, 2009, 05:45:56 PM »
I have been eyeing the Tekkeon for quite some time.  The ability to add the extenda-pack (to double-up on battery life) is awesome.  Its price, though, has kept me in the budget battery category.
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Re: new marantz PMD 661
« Reply #322 on: March 19, 2009, 08:18:12 PM »
Yeah, I hear you on the price.
I think I paid 119 for it.
However if I ever switch up gear I'll be able to use it with other pres/ad's/recorders
because of the selective voltage.
Where as if I just bought a 5v and switched gear, I'd be screwed.
Not too many pieces of gear are 5v rated.
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Re: new marantz PMD 661
« Reply #323 on: March 20, 2009, 07:59:07 AM »
That Tekkeon mp3450 looks pretty sweet.  though, depending on price, I may opt for the MP3300 instead.
both are the same physical size and at 5V, the mp3300 gives 7,200mAH compared the 10,000mAH of the mp3450.
http://www.tekkeon.com/products-mypall-specs.html

either would probably give plenty of run time... with the pmd-661.  now for some price comparison searching...


edit to add:

I've found a few places online that have the mp3450 for $119 (newegg, ecost), and it looks like the mp3300 goes for $79 (at ecost.com)...  so $40 more for an additional 2800 mAH...  I'll probably just go for the mp3450.  Like I said above, they are the same physical size (though the mp3450 is heavier)... so I might as well... and what's another $40?  ;)
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Re: new marantz PMD 661
« Reply #324 on: March 20, 2009, 11:06:28 AM »
Yeah, if I were to go for the Tekkeon, I'd go the whole 9 and get the 3450.  I don't think the extenda-pack option is available for the 3300. 
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Re: new marantz PMD 661
« Reply #325 on: March 20, 2009, 12:20:59 PM »
That Tekkeon mp3450 looks pretty sweet.  though, depending on price, I may opt for the MP3300 instead.
both are the same physical size and at 5V, the mp3300 gives 7,200mAH compared the 10,000mAH of the mp3450.
http://www.tekkeon.com/products-mypall-specs.html

either would probably give plenty of run time... with the pmd-661.  now for some price comparison searching...


edit to add:

I've found a few places online that have the mp3450 for $119 (newegg, ecost), and it looks like the mp3300 goes for $79 (at ecost.com)...  so $40 more for an additional 2800 mAH...  I'll probably just go for the mp3450.  Like I said above, they are the same physical size (though the mp3450 is heavier)... so I might as well... and what's another $40?  ;)
I got mine from new egg jason.
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Re: new marantz PMD 661
« Reply #326 on: March 20, 2009, 01:28:47 PM »
Another battery option when you get into this price range is the 13000mA PM85-50 available from Bixnet for $120.  Not quite as versatile as the Tekkeon MP3450, but with 5V, 8.4V or 11V output it will handle most field recorders and it's very compact.

http://www.bixnet.com/mumiexbapaki1.html
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Re: new marantz PMD 661
« Reply #327 on: March 20, 2009, 02:11:18 PM »
Where is everybody getting their SD/SDHC cards these days?
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Re: new marantz PMD 661
« Reply #328 on: March 20, 2009, 02:15:15 PM »
Where is everybody getting their SD/SDHC cards these days?

I got mine from New Egg.
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Re: new marantz PMD 661
« Reply #329 on: March 21, 2009, 09:58:36 AM »
first impressions after using the oade concert mod PMD-661 for one full show now:

In general, I think this is a great little deck.  I think the sound is clean and smooth (though it's a little hard to know fur sure, because it was also my first time using the mics as well).  The OLED screen is great.  The meters are nice and easy to use (both the LED lights and the on-screen meters).  I used my 8gb Sandisk Ultra II SDHC card (I think its a class 4).  I ran at 24/48 and had no problems at all.  For the first set, I had the autotrack feature set to split the files every 30 minutes.  If the files aren't seamless, it's not audible.  I zoomed in to view individual samples and it certainly seems to me, both audibly and visually, that the splits are seamless.  For set 2, I turned off the autotrack feature and just had one long file. (~80 min, so only ~1.3 gigs.  At some point, I'll do 24/96 testing and see how it handles the 4gig max file size split).

I'll post a couple of samples shortly.  The only problem with the deck, is that I think I slightly brickwalled.  Getting the levels right was my biggest concern going in, because I was unfamiliar with the deck, and unfamiliar with the new mics.  The beyerdynamic mics have a sensitivity of 30mV/Pa.  So going in, I knew that they were a LOT more sensitive compared to my old gefells (I think 13mV/Pa).  I chose to not use the -15dB pad on the mics, but did use the -18dB setting on the PMD-661.  I had my levels right around 4 on the knob, and I was peaking around -3dB.  But, looking at the wave file, I can see that it brickwalled.  BUT, it only really brickwalled for a very short time with some of the louder percussive sounds (snare drum and stuff like that).  So because it was for only a very short duration, I can't really hear it.  I certainly wouldn't have guessed that I was brickwalling just based on the sound.  It wasn't until I opened up the files in Samplitude and saw the files that I realized what had happened...  So what does this mean going forward?  I think I am going to engage the -15dB pad on my mics, and then use the -12 or -6dB setting on the PMD-661.  with the lower input from the mics, I expect that the problem will be resolved.

But, I would check out the specs for whatever mics you are planning to use with the PMD-661, and see how hot of a signal they output.  If they output a very hot signal (like the beyerdynamic's), consider using a pad on the mic to lower the input before hand.

no full battery tests yet either.  I haven't yet purchased my external, so I was using standard energizer AA's (not the lithiums, just the energizer "max" batteries).  At the end of the first set (~1 hour and 35 minutes), I had only battery bar left, so I decided to switch out the batteries for set 2.  I know that that seems considerably less run time compared to previous reports using the internals, but I think the beyers draw more current than what has previously been tested and reported.  The beyers draw 4.6mA per mic from phantom.  And, the batteries were NOT totally dead.  In the middle of set 2, Ted's R09HR battery died, so I gave him two of the "used" batteries that I has used during set 1.  They lasted at least 40 more minutes through the end of set 2 in Ted's r09hr, so they definitely still had some juice left.  I plan on doing a full internal battery test this weekend (running it until it dies).  I am also planning to test out 24/96, with both the 8gb Sandisk Ultra II and the 16gb PNY (both class 4).
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