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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: pmiguel81 on March 12, 2008, 09:46:28 PM
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Just found this
http://www.myr09.com/
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Nice find! Here's another link. Lets hope that the mini jack issue has been resolved.
http://www.ediroleurope.com/product_overview.php?productID=4056338&country=GB
http://www.edirol.net/products/en/R-09HR/images.html#
http://www.edirol.net/
(video promo on this page only)
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And it looks like the did something different with the battery door. Still no digi in?
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Still no dig in. Just a new improved R09. Hopin' that it still has the same warm sonic qualities as the original.
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I want one. I need one. :D
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Someone had to post a pic! ;D
(http://www.edirol.net/products/en/R-09HR/images/image_01_L.jpg)
(http://www.edirol.net/products/en/R-09HR/images/image_11_L.jpg)
(http://www.edirol.net/products/en/R-09HR/images/image_03_L.jpg)
(http://www.edirol.net/products/en/R-09HR/images/image_16_L.jpg)
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Looks smaller than the plain R09. And it's got REVERB! :P
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Looks smaller than the plain R09. And it's got REVERB! :P
The remote interests me. Nice to see it ships with a 512 Meg card, at least that is a useful size, the 64 Meg they ship with the R-09 is stupid.
digifish
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I like how it looks a little slimmer, the input jacks are on the side of the device and not the top, the OLED display is significantly larger, the sampling rate is boosted to 96khz, and the design looks a little bit better. If they fixed the input connection problem, then this looks like it'll be hard to beat. Figured there was a reason why the R-09s were going for so cheap these days.
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Looks smaller than the plain R09. And it's got REVERB! :P
What the hell is up with that reverb button?!? Does anyone actually use that thing? I have a really hard time believing that they'd lose any potential customers if it was never there. Someone should be slapped. ;D
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They claim this thing will have a lower noise floor. Now that would be sweet. Gimme, gimme, gimme!
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Specs still say 4 hours from two AA cells. New machines like PMD620 and LS-10 record WAV for 10 hours or more from two AA.
Specs also don't mention optical output.
Now we need a delivery date and MSRP. I wonder if dealers will dump their stock of the original R-09 at reduced prices.
Flintstone
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It seems R-09HR version now supports both 24/96K AND 24/88.2K recording modes.
For me, 88.2K mode is important for native conversion to CD burn without sample-rate timing issues, and the main reason I like the Microtrack models for small/low cost High Definition audio ability.
Any mention anywhere of shipping date?
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...so looks like I am up for a R-44 and a R09HR ::)
I wonder if the interal mics are any good this time. It always amazed me $5 of panasonic WM-61A caps were so much better (lower noise floor & better sound) than the mics that shipped with the R09 :(
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Specs also don't mention optical output.
Actually, I don't see any out other than headphone?
Looks like it will be pretty nice, though. I may have to pick up one of these...Even though I have already bought two recorders in the last six months...Sigh.
I just wish one of these companies would put a PCM-D50 type of build in an R09 sized package. I have the feeling it won't be long, though, before one of these small recorders comes out with great features and great build quality at a reasonable price. The competition in this piece of the market is getting pretty intense; seems like every couple of weeks a new machine is announced!
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specs on the plugin power?
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Holy cow! This is from the internal mics...
http://media.roland.com/en/v/EDIROL/R-09HR_00%20Welcome.wav
Now I am impressed... :)
But they did cheat a little at the start, fade, in...
(http://www.digifishmusic.com/public/images/RH09-spectrum.jpg)
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The internal mics look like salt/pepper shakers. Better hit the HOLD button so you don't add REVERB to your recording by accident!
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<thread hijack mode on>
"I just wish one of these companies would put a
PCM-D50 type of build in an R09 sized package."
Check out the Olympus LS-10.
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<thread hijack mode on>
"I just wish one of these companies would put a
PCM-D50 type of build in an R09 sized package."
Check out the Olympus LS-10.
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I am really curious about this one too, but haven't heard much about how it sounds. Have you tried one out? How does it compare to the R09? I would feel fairly confident buying the R09HR without hearing it first (given the quality of the original's sound), but I am a little wary about the LS-10 pending some taper's tests...
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Great, right when I'm going to buy an R-09. Oh well, I'll let someone else be the guinea pig on this one. I do have to say, the new unit looks nice. I'd rather the hold button not be on the back, though.
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The internal mics look like salt/pepper shakers. Better hit the HOLD button so you don't add REVERB to your recording by accident!
Hi,
Maybe I'm wrong, but if my memory is still OK, the Reverb function is for playback only. ;)
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Hmmmm.... 24/96. Very nice.
Mic/Line inputs on the side though... not so convenient.
Anyone want to hazard a guess at prices?
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If you check the specifications for both the R-09 and R-09HR you'll find that the R-09HR is not much smaller (in any) than the R-09.
Width: 1 mm smaller
Depth: 11 mm bigger
Height: 2 mm smaller
Weight: 1 oz heavier
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Why no digital input? ::)
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I'd rather the hold button not be on the back, though.
^^^
Bingo. Hold switch on the back is a big bummer for use in a cell phone case. That's a big problem in my book as that is a very important switch.
Inputs on the side are not a deal breaker, but might make it harder to slide into a pocket smoothly.
The R-09 has a reverb button too, playback only, what's the big deal? Probably exactly the same.
The speed button is new. (whaz that do?)
Built-in speaker on the back.
A lower noise preamp stage at higher gains would be welcome as would enough juice to drive 406x's directly.
The remote could be cool, but without a peak light or hold switch on it.. meh.
Wireless remote? line of sight (infrared) or RF? if RF how many frequencies? You gonna be messin' with every R09HR in the section?
Where's the 1/8" sync jack to slave two together? That's what I want.
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I would suspect the speed button is to speed up or slow down playback (mostly handy for musicians trying to learn songs).
As for the remote, I would hope you could turn that feature off in the unit, just in case someone else is using one near you.
This + 406x's would be sweet for "difficult situations"
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Red light on top indicates infared remote to me, which means line of sight (not in pocket).(http://www.edirol.net/products/en/R-09HR/images/image_08_L.jpg)
Reverb is playback only and not available above 48kHz (not that it matters)
As suspected, the speed button varries playback by +150%/-50%
BTW- What's up with that dudes finger nails? Not even clean or trimed straight?
That's a lame hand model for a product shot. Don't scratch me man!
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BTW- What's up with that dudes finger nails? Not even clean or trimed straight?
That's a lame hand model for a product shot. Don't scratch me man!
funninest thing i've read in a while ;D ;D
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Red light on top indicates infared remote to me, which means line of sight (not in pocket).
BTW- What's up with that dudes finger nails? Not even clean or trimed straight?
That's a lame hand model for a product shot. Don't scratch me man!
;D
I'd assume he is a guitar player and is about to start the recorder.
I am not so sure about the IR thing...I'd guess radio, I see no IR receiver on the unit?
digifish
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Edirol's list of differences between R-09 and new HR is here
http://www.roland.com/faq/en/R-09HR/R-09HR_Comparison.htm
HR gains:
24/96 WAV recording
variable speed playback (50% - 150%)
remote control
small built-in speaker
Cakewalk Audio Creator LE software
HR loses:
optical digital output
HR is slightly longer and 20g (1 oz) heavier
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I think the HR gains a better battery door and they possibly fixed the input jack issue, but we won't know about these things until some gets one and tears it apart.
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HR loses:
optical digital output
Why would they eliminate that? I use it all the time for playback.
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Silly me! In my list of ways the R-09HR is improved, I forgot to include the most important difference between the R-09 and the HR: The improved analog preamp, which Edirol calls the Isolated Adaptive Recording Circuit (IARC).
The IARC separates the power supply for the analog input from power for the A to D converter and the digital side of the recorder. The result is supposed to be reduced noise and greater dynamic range. In other words, the IARC puts the "high resolution" in the R-09HR.
Since the R-09 already has one of the better analog circuits in a hand-held recorder, it will be interesting to learn how much better the HR sounds.
After Edirol introduced the R-09, they continued to sell the R-1 for a while. I expect they will do the same with the R-09HR. Edirol may price the HR model pretty high at first to differentiate it from the R-09.
Flintstone
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Silly me! In my list of ways the R-09HR is improved, I forgot to include the most important difference between the R-09 and the HR: The improved analog preamp, which Edirol calls the Isolated Adaptive Recording Circuit (IARC)...
They may or may not have improved the front end. In anycase, that IARC spiel is the same word for word in the R-09 literature (and on the box).
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Just when I had my mind made up to replace my broken R09 with a Marantz PMD620, this comes along.
:hmmm:
How long does it usually take Edirol to get products to market?
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Just when I had my mind made up to replace my broken R09 with a Marantz PMD620, this comes along.
:hmmm:
How long does it usually take Edirol to get products to market?
That's exactly what I want to know ???
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`May` does my dealer say.
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anyone seen this listed as a pre-order yet?
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BTW- What's up with that dudes finger nails? Not even clean or trimed straight?
That's a lame hand model for a product shot. Don't scratch me man!
funninest thing i've read in a while ;D ;D
Seriously. :yack:
I'm pretty sure that's a woman's hand.
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I went to an acoustic guitar camp a few years back on a college campus.. sitting in the cafeteria I looked around and it seemed everyone had long nails on one hand. creepy.
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anyone seen this listed as a pre-order yet?
http://www.dv247.com/invt/49914/
UK-store....shipping end of march.
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anyone seen this listed as a pre-order yet?
http://www.dv247.com/invt/49914/
UK-store....shipping end of march.
Nice! Should be available round about my birthday.
*hint hint*
;)
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anyone seen this listed as a pre-order yet?
http://www.dv247.com/invt/49914/
UK-store....shipping end of march.
$406...no huge increase from R-09 starting price
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anyone seen this listed as a pre-order yet?
http://www.dv247.com/invt/49914/
UK-store....shipping end of march.
$406...no huge increase from R-09 starting price
I think that is 259 British Pounds Sterling, not Euros, so the conversion is American dollars is about $525.
So this may be more than it's older brother.
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Hi,
I would think it'd be about the same as the R09,
my R09 said Made in Japan, in the pictures it said
Made in China. We can always hope.
thanks
jim cowan
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Calculating the US$ price using the exchange rate can be a bit misleading but can be a good estimate. I'm sure it will be less than $500 because US R09 vs UK R09 is not really doubled.
If it is over $400 it is expensive for a recorder without digital-in. So the Sony D50 and MT II are still good all rounded recorders considering the price with digital in option.
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anyone seen this listed as a pre-order yet?
http://www.dv247.com/invt/49914/
UK-store....shipping end of march.
$406...no huge increase from R-09 starting price
I think that is 259 British Pounds Sterling, not Euros, so the conversion is American dollars is about $525.
So this may be more than it's older brother.
My bad. I've got euros on my mind.
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Red light on top indicates infared remote to me, which means line of sight (not in pocket).
I'd really like to know more about this aspect myself. A remote control would really help with discrete recording but infrared would suck.
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Some good news for ya guys...
Shipping on 3/28, according to this Japanese web shop:
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/reckb/e4_r09_hr/
And the best thing is the price:
37,905 Japanese Yen, equals $369 only!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74OMEI6yTDQ
A little video on it. I don't understand why the guy never pointed the mic over at the speaker.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74OMEI6yTDQ
A little video on it. I don't understand why the guy never pointed the mic over at the speaker.
Good news. In the UK the R09HR is going to cost less than the original R09.
I assume the same is going to happen is the US ( hopefully) ;)
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i have my fingers crossed
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Sonic state Messe vid
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=6323
FWIW: I note the rep here said the headphone out doubled as a digital out.
digifish
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74OMEI6yTDQ
A little video on it. I don't understand why the guy never pointed the mic over at the speaker.
Good news. In the UK the R09HR is going to cost less than the original R09.
I assume the same is going to happen is the US ( hopefully) ;)
...with the way the US dollar is tanking at the moment? :P
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74OMEI6yTDQ
A little video on it. I don't understand why the guy never pointed the mic over at the speaker.
Good news. In the UK the R09HR is going to cost less than the original R09.
I assume the same is going to happen is the US ( hopefully) ;)
...with the way the US dollar is tanking at the moment? :P
Yah, my thoughts exactly. The dollar is at an all time low against the Yen. Our hobby in the states is getting more expensive because hardly any of our gear originates from here, always overseas.
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and we thought we ruled the world.... we did until bush f**ked it up LOL
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Sonic state Messe vid
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=6323
FWIW: I note the rep here said the headphone out doubled as a digital out.
digifish
+T Thanks for the link - Hope it does have a digi out and if so hope it isn't Optical (but I would doubt this).
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74OMEI6yTDQ
A little video on it. I don't understand why the guy never pointed the mic over at the speaker.
Good news. In the UK the R09HR is going to cost less than the original R09.
I assume the same is going to happen is the US ( hopefully) ;)
...with the way the US dollar is tanking at the moment? :P
Well, you may be right. ;)
But I think the final price will be less than we're assuming.
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Red light on top indicates infared remote to me, which means line of sight (not in pocket).
I'd really like to know more about this aspect myself. A remote control would really help with discrete recording but infrared would suck.
Well, the remote doesn't look like it shows levels, so if not, then who cares? It's useless... (regardless of line of sight.)
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Remember that the price of 259 pounds includes value added tax of 17.5%. Taking the tax away gives a price of about 425 US dollars at today's exchange rate.
Did I hear the presenter in the MusikMesse video say the R-09HR's headphone jack also has optical digital out? That's good news.
Flintstone
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The next big issue, is will the volume controls work or will it be back to "run at 8 and fix it in post"
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Remember that the price of 259 pounds includes value added tax of 17.5%. Taking the tax away gives a price of about 425 US dollars at today's exchange rate.
Did I hear the presenter in the MusikMesse video say the R-09HR's headphone jack also has optical digital out? That's good news.
Flintstone
Same thing on the original R-09. ;)
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Interesting pic of the mics in the R09HR...
(http://www.ediroleurope.com/images/products/R-09HR/down.jpg)
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poor design. bad that the input jacks are on the side. i use the outside rubber case. that means i do not have easy access to the hold button. i also use 2650ma rechargable aa batts and get 10hrs out of them on the r09.
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Well, based on what I read here... going to keep my R09 original :)
Nothing better in the HR that I see for my use...
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If they fixed the breakaway jack problem, I'm all over one of these. ;D
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The other thing that annoys me is that it's just SO OBVIOUS that every one of these units should have a built-in tripod mount (not a case, lol) -- it's just stupid NOT to have one IMHO.
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poor design. bad that the input jacks are on the side. i use the outside rubber case. that means i do not have easy access to the hold button.
Then again, it's a piece of cake to cut a small hole in the rubber to access the switches...
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I'm keeping my eye on the old R09 price, as stores try to clear old stock. UK-wise, I'm not seeing much in the way of discounting yet, though Dolphin Music have the red and white ones for £199. I'm looking for a second unit for possible soundboard duties.
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The manual is available for download...
http://lib.roland.co.jp/manual/en/dl_08-23641/R-09HR_e1.pdf
The remote is IR.
The headphone jack loses the digital out.
digifish.
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As far as I can find out the HR will be available in Ontario the second week of March. While I was talking to the retailer he phoned Roland in Toronto, and he tells me that the R-09 HR will be selling for just under the R-09, which is priced at $399 in this store at the moment. He gave no indication of a sale on the R-09.
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The manual is available for download...
http://lib.roland.co.jp/manual/en/dl_08-23641/R-09HR_e1.pdf
The remote is IR.
The headphone jack loses the digital out.
digifish.
On pg. 31, they show a screen shot that shows "input: 85." So, I guess the input level range will not be 0 - 30 anymore. I was hoping for something like, say, -20dB to +20dB, so we have a 0dB gain level.
Also looks like the default input level (whatever it is) for line-in is +2dBU. For the R-09, they state the default (which is 13) is 0dBU. I don't really understand that very well, but it's a change to note.
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Also looks like the default input level (whatever it is) for line-in is +2dBU. For the R-09, they state the default (which is 13) is 0dBU. I don't really understand that very well, but it's a change to note.
More interesting are the max levels for line/mic in. 'default' doesn't tell me much.
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bgalizio and udovdh
I am new to this and i just selected Edirol HR for my new toy because of the good report the R-09 came with.
With reference to your comments above, does this make the Hr a better machine than the R-09?
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bgalizio and udovdh
I am new to this and i just selected Edirol HR for my new toy because of the good report the R-09 came with.
With reference to your comments above, does this make the Hr a better machine than the R-09?
For my comments before: I don't think it makes any difference. Perhaps the +2dBU default input gain on line-in makes a difference, but not sure one way or the other. Someone else will have to chime in there, as I don't know a thing about dBU.
From my initial impressions looking at the unit: I don't like the hold switch on the back, nor do I like the line input on the side. If the input jack is reinforced relative to the R-09, it would be a major plus. That remains to be seen until someone has the device in hand.
We also don't know the ADC quality relative to the R-09. Just because it can do 24/96 doesn't make it sound better.
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One of the things attracting me to the HR is the Speaker - I need that opne.
The question has been raised about the value of the Remote. The Remote Indicator on the HR flashes at a different rate for varying levels thus serving as an indicaor when using the remote. The range of the remote is about 16 feet. It relies on the IR being in visible alignment with the remote I guess.
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Mine will come next monday! ;D
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With reference to your comments above, does this make the Hr a better machine than the R-09?
It depends on your needs, situation, etc.
Will you be using the internal mics?
External mics? Which?
Method of powering mics?
What stuff will be recorded?
For how long?
Need digi-out?
Will more than 48 Khz or even better than 100 dB SNR really help in your genre of sounds with your mics??
Etc.
Both the 09 and HR can be great recorders I guess.
Yes, the HR is marketed as having better noise performance than the 09. (by how much?)
But it is slightly bigger.
Maybe it is better mechanically (input jack, battery door).
Maybe you don't need digi-out.
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Thanks udovdh for the response. You ask more than I can answer to. I will be using both internal and lapel mics at different times. (Lapel mic to be unobtrusive on one of the 'actors'. My intent is to record a conversation while I video the picture. I would like to video the background as well as the participants. To get an overall video I have to stand back and that means less sound to be recorded on video. The recorder is so that I might match the two in editing, to get a good result.
The Recorder will also be used in the fiield to record bird sounds.
I have used a small tape recorder but the background is not suitable for use.
I am at the moment on the side of the Edirol R-09 HR, with the Marantz 660 or 620 as second consideration. I guess you agree with the HR choice. I guess it is very much a matter of "make your choice and live with it while you learn".
Thanks for your response. I am probably asking too much from what I have to work with. (Camcorder is Pana GS400)
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Hoping to pull the trigger on one of these sparkly HR's next week, when my pay hits my bank account - if I can track one down. Hopefully turnkey on Charing Cross Road will have 'em... according to their website I'm looking at £259.99.
Sweeeeeet.
If I get one, then I'll be out taping a couple of times next week, so tasty 24/96 sample flacs ahoy.
;D
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As far as I can find out the HR will be available in Ontario the second week of March. While I was talking to the retailer he phoned Roland in Toronto, and he tells me that the R-09 HR will be selling for just under the R-09, which is priced at $399 in this store at the moment. He gave no indication of a sale on the R-09.
Can you keep us posted on the Toronto info, being in Rochester I end up in Canada a lot for shows and would love to grab one when in the North country, but would need price and store details ;)
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Can you keep us posted on the Toronto info, being in Rochester I end up in Canada a lot for shows and would love to grab one when in the North country, but would need price and store details ;)
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Thanks for that post - I just noticed I said "second week in march" that should have been "second week in APRIL" Sorry about that.
The retailer I am working with is "Long and McQuade" In Burlington, Ontario. I spoke to them this morning and it is not available as yet. I will post as soon as I have anything. (Such as an R09 HR)
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udovdh
Need digi-out? You mention this and I am not aware of its implications. As I said, I am not acquainted with this recording business.
Could you please give me a short meaning of the term.
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udovdh
Need digi-out? You mention this and I am not aware of its implications. As I said, I am not acquainted with this recording business.
Could you please give me a short meaning of the term.
The R09 has a combined analog and digital (optical) out on the headphone jack. The HR does not, only analog. It's rather a moot point for 99% of users as they get the file digitally by copying over USB to a PC. I suppose some people are using the digi-out as a live feed to other gear?
digifish
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Thanks for that explanation. I had guessed something like that as I felt that Roland would not take it away without some good reason. Myself - i will be moving the files to Pc for use there so I am safe I guess.
Many thanks.
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anyone know how cheap the r09 is now? is it down to $200-250?
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Still shows upper 300's on most sites
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Edirol's list of differences between R-09 and new HR is here
http://www.roland.com/faq/en/R-09HR/R-09HR_Comparison.htm
HR gains:
24/96 WAV recording
variable speed playback (50% - 150%)
remote control
small built-in speaker
Cakewalk Audio Creator LE software
HR loses:
optical digital output
HR is slightly longer and 20g (1 oz) heavier
although i wish i would have sold my R-09 a couple months ago before this announcement... i don't think they did their homework enough on the HR to really lower the price of a R-09 in the YS all that much.
i'll stick w/ the R-09 for a bit more!
-j
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I'm keeping my eye on the old R09 price, as stores try to clear old stock. UK-wise, I'm not seeing much in the way of discounting yet, though Dolphin Music have the red and white ones for £199. I'm looking for a second unit for possible soundboard duties.
that's a very good call!!!
-j
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My latest info from Roland is that the HR will be available in Ontario around the10 th of April
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My latest info from Roland is that the HR will be available in Ontario around the10 th of April
Another YouTube vid from MusikMesse
R09-HR & R44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHi5bHGaz-E
digifish
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oooh varispeed playback haha,
will it be smooth?
vari speed playback only works 44.1 and 48
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R09HR's are going for £259.99 in turnkey on Charing Cross Road, with a free 2gig SD card, in case any UK folks are interested. Selling out quickly, mind.
*Hopefully* getting mine tonight, first outing tomorrow.
Woo!
;D
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R09HR's are going for £259.99 in turnkey on Charing Cross Road, with a free 2gig SD card, in case any UK folks are interested. Selling out quickly, mind.
*Hopefully* getting mine tonight, first outing tomorrow.
Woo!
;D
Good news. Any idea about US launching date?
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R09HR's are going for £259.99 in turnkey on Charing Cross Road, with a free 2gig SD card, in case any UK folks are interested. Selling out quickly, mind.
*Hopefully* getting mine tonight, first outing tomorrow.
Woo!
;D
No clue, sorry.
Turns out that I'm not getting mine tonight. Maybe tomorrow, not sure though. Pesky banks.
>:D >:D >:D
Good news. Any idea about US launching date?
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R09HR's are going for £259.99 in turnkey on Charing Cross Road, with a free 2gig SD card, in case any UK folks are interested. Selling out quickly, mind.
*Hopefully* getting mine tonight, first outing tomorrow.
Woo!
;D
Good news. Any idea about US launching date?
I've been looking for the US too. I spoke with Roland US in CA and they didn't seem to have a clue.
Joel
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R09HR's are going for £259.99 in turnkey on Charing Cross Road, with a free 2gig SD card, in case any UK folks are interested. Selling out quickly, mind.
*Hopefully* getting mine tonight, first outing tomorrow.
Woo!
;D
Good news. Any idea about US launching date?
I've been looking for the US too. I spoke with Roland US in CA and they didn't seem to have a clue.
Joel
Thanks a lot for the info ;)
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Just got my HR, literally just stuck in the SDHC card and batteries.
First impressions:
- More substantially built than the R09.
- Way better battery access (on the back rather than the flimsy battery cover on the R09
- In terms of dimensions, a little taller than the R09, little bit narrower, little bit thinner.
- I like the rubberised finish.
- The mics feel more secure than on the old version - I was always a little concerned about how loose the old ones felt.
- Screen is quite a bit bigger
- Haven't had a chance to check all the settings yet but flashing red light on the record button AND flashing red light on the top for the remote. Hang on, you can set it to 'power save' mode and the red lights disappear. Neat!
- The buttons on the back are more substantial than the old version - by which I mean hopefully less chance of changing settings than previously... Low cut on halfway through the show? Been there, done that. It seems that you can change the setting for the Low Cut, btw - 100hz, 200hz, 400hz.
- The input volume range is now 0-80, rather than 0-30.
More info to follow once I've had a beer and a chance to fiddle.
;D
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Nice! Do you still have a regular R-09? If so, I'd love to hear an ADC comparison of the two.
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Nice! Do you still have a regular R-09? If so, I'd love to hear an ADC comparison of the two.
Might be able to provide one next week. Taping Curtis Eller, open (first time taping open for me). If DaveG73 and I can run 3 rigs between us I'll give it a go. Different pre-amps, mind, I've got a FEL pre and he's got a CA pre. Same mics, though (STC-11s)
Out taping my pals Nebraska playing an acoustic show on sunday, will be rocking the HR for that.
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Just got my HR, literally just stuck in the SDHC card and batteries.
First impressions:
- More substantially built than the R09.
- Way better battery access (on the back rather than the flimsy battery cover on the R09
- In terms of dimensions, a little taller than the R09, little bit narrower, little bit thinner.
- I like the rubberised finish.
- The mics feel more secure than on the old version - I was always a little concerned about how loose the old ones felt.
- Screen is quite a bit bigger
- Haven't had a chance to check all the settings yet but flashing red light on the record button AND flashing red light on the top for the remote. Hang on, you can set it to 'power save' mode and the red lights disappear. Neat!
- The buttons on the back are more substantial than the old version - by which I mean hopefully less chance of changing settings than previously... Low cut on halfway through the show? Been there, done that. It seems that you can change the setting for the Low Cut, btw - 100hz, 200hz, 400hz.
- The input volume range is now 0-80, rather than 0-30.
More info to follow once I've had a beer and a chance to fiddle.
;D
Thanks for the updates, I'll be keeping an eye out for some audio reviews on this little guy in the coming weeks.
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Just got my HR, literally just stuck in the SDHC card and batteries.
First impressions:
- More substantially built than the R09.
- Way better battery access (on the back rather than the flimsy battery cover on the R09
- In terms of dimensions, a little taller than the R09, little bit narrower, little bit thinner.
- I like the rubberised finish.
- The mics feel more secure than on the old version - I was always a little concerned about how loose the old ones felt.
- Screen is quite a bit bigger
- Haven't had a chance to check all the settings yet but flashing red light on the record button AND flashing red light on the top for the remote. Hang on, you can set it to 'power save' mode and the red lights disappear. Neat!
- The buttons on the back are more substantial than the old version - by which I mean hopefully less chance of changing settings than previously... Low cut on halfway through the show? Been there, done that. It seems that you can change the setting for the Low Cut, btw - 100hz, 200hz, 400hz.
- The input volume range is now 0-80, rather than 0-30.
More info to follow once I've had a beer and a chance to fiddle.
;D
I'm curious about self-noise when you put external mics into it. Noise on the original Edirol R09 is a bit high.
Richard
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Just got my HR, literally just stuck in the SDHC card and batteries.
First impressions:
- More substantially built than the R09.
- Way better battery access (on the back rather than the flimsy battery cover on the R09
- In terms of dimensions, a little taller than the R09, little bit narrower, little bit thinner.
- I like the rubberised finish.
- The mics feel more secure than on the old version - I was always a little concerned about how loose the old ones felt.
- Screen is quite a bit bigger
- Haven't had a chance to check all the settings yet but flashing red light on the record button AND flashing red light on the top for the remote. Hang on, you can set it to 'power save' mode and the red lights disappear. Neat!
- The buttons on the back are more substantial than the old version - by which I mean hopefully less chance of changing settings than previously... Low cut on halfway through the show? Been there, done that. It seems that you can change the setting for the Low Cut, btw - 100hz, 200hz, 400hz.
- The input volume range is now 0-80, rather than 0-30.
More info to follow once I've had a beer and a chance to fiddle.
;D
I'm curious about self-noise when you put external mics into it. Noise on the original Edirol R09 is a bit high.
Richard
Do you mean going mics > R09 without a pre/bb? Only ever done that once, not happy with the result, but that was my first ever attempt at taping, and I had no idea what I was doing. Plus it was a fairly quiet show.
I'm going to try going mics > R09HR at some point, but only for a loud show.
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Just got my HR, literally just stuck in the SDHC card and batteries.
First impressions:
- More substantially built than the R09.
- Way better battery access (on the back rather than the flimsy battery cover on the R09
- In terms of dimensions, a little taller than the R09, little bit narrower, little bit thinner.
- I like the rubberised finish.
- The mics feel more secure than on the old version - I was always a little concerned about how loose the old ones felt.
- Screen is quite a bit bigger
- Haven't had a chance to check all the settings yet but flashing red light on the record button AND flashing red light on the top for the remote. Hang on, you can set it to 'power save' mode and the red lights disappear. Neat!
- The buttons on the back are more substantial than the old version - by which I mean hopefully less chance of changing settings than previously... Low cut on halfway through the show? Been there, done that. It seems that you can change the setting for the Low Cut, btw - 100hz, 200hz, 400hz.
- The input volume range is now 0-80, rather than 0-30.
More info to follow once I've had a beer and a chance to fiddle.
;D
I'm curious about self-noise when you put external mics into it. Noise on the original Edirol R09 is a bit high.
Richard
Do you mean going mics > R09 without a pre/bb? Only ever done that once, not happy with the result, but that was my first ever attempt at taping, and I had no idea what I was doing. Plus it was a fairly quiet show.
I'm going to try going mics > R09HR at some point, but only for a loud show.
With proper wiring (eg., 2.2 or 4.7k source resistor on the FET), I've run a ton of things directly into the R09 and Minidisc.
The issue I'm asking is, what is the self noise of the mic input? Do I need additional gain? So, mics > batt box (or not) > R09HR is what I'm looking for. Record some quiet sounds, preferably, and compare to the same setup into the old R09.
Richard
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I'll record a few bits and pieces tomorrow, with the same settings on my old R09 and on my new one. I'm not the most technologically minded chap, but hopefully that will give you at least an idea of self-noise and whatnot.
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I'm with you Justink...I'll be just fine with my R-09 for awhile. Only "improvement that I care about is the 24/96, but how will that be? There was a lot of discussion on how much improvement the 24/48 was over the 16/44.1 on the R-09. I would like to see some people do some tests. I have no problem with my Battery door (I am carefull), no need for a tiny speaker, no desire to have inputs on the side, no real concern with internal mics, no need for a bigger screen, hhhhmmmmm what else....the rubbery finish sounds cool ;D
ps - 0-80 input range just seems a bit unneccesary ...am i crazy???
PEACE
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Any word yet on when these will be available in the USA?
:hmmm: :hmmm:
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Well, for me I am considering the HR just because its new and I don't have a small CF recorder. :o
I understand people love, love their 09 and I personally thought I would never go with this thing that has a tiny screen and something that frankly looks like a shaver from the '90s! I've come around and realized its one of the better affordable (under $400) recorders out there and now I am interested in its newer brother. Of course, I don't want to be the first buyer of it since it may have some issues with it but I'd be interested in owning one.
I still have some time to save my clams up for this so I'll be digging around for any information on this and listening to reviews of it.
Thanks for any help!!
-Sean
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I'll record a few bits and pieces tomorrow, with the same settings on my old R09 and on my new one. I'm not the most technologically minded chap, but hopefully that will give you at least an idea of self-noise and whatnot.
Thanks!
An easy way to do this is to use the same mics and record the same sound (eg., a clock ticking) with two different recorders. You can amplify/normalize in post, to make both samples have equal volume. The difference in "self noise" or "hiss" will be due the difference in recorders.
Note: don't use a pre or anything in front, just plug a mic (or mic + batt box) in and go from there.
Richard
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I'll record a few bits and pieces tomorrow, with the same settings on my old R09 and on my new one. I'm not the most technologically minded chap, but hopefully that will give you at least an idea of self-noise and whatnot.
Thanks!
An easy way to do this is to use the same mics and record the same sound (eg., a clock ticking) with two different recorders. You can amplify/normalize in post, to make both samples have equal volume. The difference in "self noise" or "hiss" will be due the difference in recorders.
Note: don't use a pre or anything in front, just plug a mic (or mic + batt box) in and go from there.
Richard
If you could do some line-in testing that would be great too. Maybe record your stereo playing the same track with the mics etc. in the same position. Then switch the recorders. That would give some kind of an ADC comparison, though not exactly ideal.
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Right. I'll pick a tune, record a minute or two line in (at 16/44.1 and 24/48 on the two R09s). Then I'll go mics > R09 and do the same, same settings. Then mics > pre > line-in. Then internal mics. Come to think about it, I'll get some 24/96 examples too.
The HR comes with a little transparent plastic stand, so I'll at least be able to keep it in the same place when trying the internal mics at home.
Won't be until this afternoon, but I'll have a go.
;)
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Right. Some samples. Not very scientifically accurate, but there you go:
http://download.yousendit.com/9003DFCF3F607660
All flacs, all the first minute of '16 Days' from the newly released Whiskeytown - Strangers Almanac reissue. Mics attached to glasses, glasses propped up in front of stereo. All recorded at full input volume (30 on R09, 80 on R09 HR). All normalised to 0db.
Includes:
- R09 (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/96
- R09 HR (CA stc-11 > FEL pre > line in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11 > FEL pre > line in) 24/96
Hope those help a little until a more professional, and infinitely more useful comparison.
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Thanks powermonkey. Both of the 24/96 samples have more air around the instruments. Better pace too (the tempo seemed like it dragged a bit on the 24/48 in comparison). I actually kinda prefered the sound of the violin with the 09 but that doesn't mean it was more accurate. Very helpful.
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I think the only way I'm going to get a good sense of the HR is to get out and tape. I'm out tomorrow for an acoustic show by some good friends of mine. Little concerned about settings - don't want to piss about while the band are on, and I think they might be opening. I've had a go at getting a sense of what's what in front of my stereo, but that's not going to be anywhere close - even to an (amplified) acoustic show.
Will report back with samples, hopefully.
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Right. Some samples. Not very scientifically accurate, but there you go:
http://download.yousendit.com/9003DFCF3F607660
All flacs, all the first minute of '16 Days' from the newly released Whiskeytown - Strangers Almanac reissue. Mics attached to glasses, glasses propped up in front of stereo. All recorded at full input volume (30 on R09, 80 on R09 HR). All normalised to 0db.
Includes:
- R09 (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/96
- R09 HR (CA stc-11 > FEL pre > line in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11 > FEL pre > line in) 24/96
Hope those help a little until a more professional, and infinitely more useful comparison.
Big +T :)
Could you do the same thing with a quiet source (like the ticking clock example) 24 bit, 44.1 with the gain cranked on both units, high sensitivity, using the inboard mics?
digifish.
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Right. Some samples. Not very scientifically accurate, but there you go:
http://download.yousendit.com/9003DFCF3F607660
All flacs, all the first minute of '16 Days' from the newly released Whiskeytown - Strangers Almanac reissue. Mics attached to glasses, glasses propped up in front of stereo. All recorded at full input volume (30 on R09, 80 on R09 HR). All normalised to 0db.
Includes:
- R09 (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/96
- R09 HR (CA stc-11 > FEL pre > line in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11 > FEL pre > line in) 24/96
Hope those help a little until a more professional, and infinitely more useful comparison.
Big +T :)
Could you do the same thing with a quiet source (like the ticking clock example) 24 bit, 44.1 with the gain cranked on both units, high sensitivity, using the inboard mics?
digifish.
24/44.1, mic hi, full gain, internal mics. Gotcha.
:)
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http://download.yousendit.com/711E225062932395
Clock ticking:
R09 - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input
R09 - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input (normalised to 0db)
R09 HR - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input
R09 HR - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input (normalised to 0db)
Enjoy! My finest tape yet!
;D
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http://download.yousendit.com/711E225062932395
Clock ticking:
R09 - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input
R09 - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input (normalised to 0db)
R09 HR - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input
R09 HR - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input (normalised to 0db)
Enjoy! My finest tape yet!
;D
Wow, perfect...and I am all out of +T's for you today :)
Downloading now...
EDIT: OK, that's a considerable improvement. The spectrum analyzer also shows a much cleaner signal, free of digital inteference too. The image below is the normalized samples.
(http://www.digifishmusic.com/public/images/R09vsR09HR-spectrum.jpg)
Thanks. I'd Better order one, I can also hear you breathing, swallowing and the neighbor flushing the toilet I think :)
digifish
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Haha.... very rarely will you find a more scientific experiment! Laboratory conditions all the way!
;D
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i want to thank you guys for all the info in this thread and all the testing. i guess this is best one for stealthing live hard rock shows.
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Has anyone been advised when these will become available in the USA?
I'll check with FullCompass tomorrow and report back.
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Nobody else notices the piercing high frequency noise in the R9HR 48K internal mics sample? I boosted it by 15DB to make it obvious. It's somewhere above 8K, 8.3 or 8.4 ... someone can nail it visually I'm sure.
http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/xba4vp
Otherwise, the internal mics of the HR sound like a big improvement. Not sure on the noise performance.
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Haha.... very rarely will you find a more scientific experiment! Laboratory conditions all the way!
;D
+T. Great job ;)
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http://download.yousendit.com/711E225062932395
Clock ticking:
R09 - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input
R09 - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input (normalised to 0db)
R09 HR - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input
R09 HR - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input (normalised to 0db)
Enjoy! My finest tape yet!
Powermonkey thanks a lot for the files !!
Would it be possible for you to do exactly the same but with line in? Just record silence at full recording levels? I would like very much to compare them to the ones of my PMD620
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From talking to sweetwater, they are thinking early May, but nothing is set in stone yet
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Both of the 24/96 samples have more air around the instruments. Better pace too (the tempo seemed like it dragged a bit on the 24/48 in comparison).
Maybe that was posted on 1st April. See http://mixonline.com/recording/mixing/audio_emperors_new_sampling/ for some relevant considerations.
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- Haven't had a chance to check all the settings yet but flashing red light on the record button AND flashing red light on the top for the remote. Hang on, you can set it to 'power save' mode and the red lights disappear. Neat!
Does the HR provide a way to disable the red lights while leaving the screen on? I want the red lights to go away but I want to still be able to check input levels. Thanks.
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- Haven't had a chance to check all the settings yet but flashing red light on the record button AND flashing red light on the top for the remote. Hang on, you can set it to 'power save' mode and the red lights disappear. Neat!
Does the HR provide a way to disable the red lights while leaving the screen on? I want the red lights to go away but I want to still be able to check input levels. Thanks.
It's got power save mode, same as the old R09, so the red lights go off after a few seconds. Mind you, they go back on as soon as you change anything.
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Full Compass says:
Edirol R09HR - Looks like will be in around 1st week of May. $358.00 plus shipping.
Not definite, just what they expect...
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First post....great thread.....just ordered one (comes with free 2GB Card).
Thanks all for all the gems herewith. :)
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First post....great thread.....just ordered one (comes with free 2GB Card).
Thanks all for all the gems herewith. :)
Enjoy your new gear and let us know about it
+T
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Can everyone post where they are getting their units and the actual total (shipped) costs? Id like to know the running average and such
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(http://www.digifishmusic.com/public/images/R09vsR09HR-spectrum.jpg)
:hmmm:
I love my R-09, but this has me considering an upgrade.
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me.....planetgizmo.co.uk £263.00 delivered (+ free 2 GB card).
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Can everyone post where they are getting their units and the actual total (shipped) costs? Id like to know the running average and such
www.thomann.de
€333 incl. DHL shipping from Germany to Ireland.
This price includes a 3 year warranty as standard (I'm not sure if 3 years is the standard elsewhere).
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shit, wish I'd known that 12 hours ago :o
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shit, wish I'd known that 12 hours ago :o
It works out at £253 from thomann.de but you're after getting a 2GB SD card with it so I think you did ok with planetgizmo.co.uk :).
It now looks like thomann.de is out of stock until 28 April. Fortunately mine arrived yesterday.
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Cool, £10 not a big deal, but see what warranty comes with mine .........
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<spectal image>
:hmmm:
I love my R-09, but this has me considering an upgrade.
That's the only thing that really caught my eye so far as well. Maybe I'll go back and listen to the clock tic files now and see if it catches my ear too.. of course that image is with the internal mics & gain maxed out. Not how I'd typically run the thing (line-in at what ever is equivalent to 13-18 on the R-09).
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<spectal image>
:hmmm:
I love my R-09, but this has me considering an upgrade.
That's the only thing that really caught my eye so far as well. Maybe I'll go back and listen to the clock tic files now and see if it catches my ear too.. of course that image is with the internal mics & gain maxed out. Not how I'd typically run the thing (line-in at what ever is equivalent to 13-18 on the R-09).
Indeed, that is the true test. Based on what I have seen so far, I can't imagine it is worse, I am sure they 'improved' everything in the signal path.
Actually the difference is better than the spectral image I showed, there was a spike in the R09 (original) recording that prevented the same degree of amplification as the R09HR received.
What it does mean is that the internal mics are actually (more) useful in a pinch.
digifish
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I've only taped 2 shows with my HR, and one of them I've not even had a chance to listen to on anything other than the headphone output (which is predictably a bit shite).
The first show - an acoustic set by my mates with a slightly dodgy PA in a little pub, mind, completely blows me away, even when dithered down from 24/96 to 16/44.1 on the old iPod. I'll get a 24/96 flac sample up at some point. You'll all have to bear in mind, though, that I have pretty much no idea what I'm doing, even getting on for my 1 year anniversary for taping.
:-[
The little I've seen of the HR's capabilities, though, and the improvement is pretty damn clear, even to me.
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Does anyone know yet if the volume can be used 100% or if we have to stick to 8 (or some new number) like on the old R09?
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I have a feeling that the release of the R09HR is about to happen.
A couple weeks ago I was told the release would be about the 10th April.
I have just discovered that there is a Product Release session to be held by Roland in Montreal on April 10th from 6 to 8 pm. Tomorrow!!!
Is this when the great announcement will be made?
Check "roland.ca" and select "Events" for news.
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Full Compass has their first shipment coming on 4/30, 2nd shipment a few weeks after that...
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This unit looks to be a very promising unit. I can't wait to read up on a few reviews once they start rolling in.
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arrived today - first show will be ladytron on 30.04.2008 manchester
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arrived today - first show will be ladytron on 30.04.2008 manchester
Very cool - I'd love to get a copy of the ladytron set if all turns out well.
:)
+T
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you're making me nervous :), have 3 uncirculated masters from the NIN tour last year as well. brum and manc x2
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anyone knows if it's gonna be officially imported in France ?
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arrived today - first show will be ladytron on 30.04.2008 manchester
Good luck on that one Chris !! Please keep us updated on the results.
Phil
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anyone knows if it's gonna be officially imported in France ?
Try http://www.thomann.de/fr/edirol_r_09_hr.htm (http://www.thomann.de/fr/edirol_r_09_hr.htm). I have ordered a few things from them, and they are pretty fast and reliable. Don't know if you can get one cheaper locally, but this is an "official" option at least.
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hey Phil, fancy seeing you on here !! You good ?
R-09HR curently hard at work backing up some of those 'oldskool' minidisc masters !
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hey Phil, fancy seeing you on here !! You good ?
R-09HR curently hard at work backing up some of those 'oldskool' minidisc masters !
Wait, the R-09HR has an optical input? How are you backing up the masters?
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nah, via lossy analogue i'm afraid :(
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I have just been speaking to Long and McQuade music, in Ontario, and they are taking orders for the R-09 HR at $399 Can.
I have been in the store a few times recently and told them I wanted one, and left my name with them.
I spoke to Roland in Toronto today and they said they were now available. They said nothing about special order.
But Long and McQuade, today, say special order. And that none of their stores have them IN STOCK. So there you have it.
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Sweetwater.com is taking orders...
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/R09HR
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Sweetwater.com is taking orders...
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/R09HR
Full Compass is pricing at $358 - first shipment due to arrive in 10 days or so - 2nd shipment 2 weeks after that.
;)
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Sweetwater.com is taking orders...
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/R09HR
Full Compass is pricing at $358 - first shipment due to arrive in 10 days or so - 2nd shipment 2 weeks after that.
;)
I couldn't find it on their site. I'd like to get in on the first order.
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The post you quoted had a direct link to the HD on sweetwater... did you see that? ???
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Sweetwater.com is taking orders...
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/R09HR
Full Compass is pricing at $358 - first shipment due to arrive in 10 days or so - 2nd shipment 2 weeks after that.
;)
Is there a direct link for this? Less than Sweetwater, anyone know sweet's price match policy?
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Sweetwater.com is taking orders...
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/R09HR
Full Compass is pricing at $358 - first shipment due to arrive in 10 days or so - 2nd shipment 2 weeks after that.
;)
I couldn't find it on their site. I'd like to get in on the first order.
You need to call them:
Full Compass is pricing at $358
800-476-9886 | 608-227-3000 | Fax: 608-831-1890
Monday - Friday 9:00 - 5:30 CST
800-356-5844 | 608-831-7330 | Fax: 608-831-6330
Monday - Friday 9:00 - 5:30 CST
http://www.fullcompass.com/
:)
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Actually, what I should ask is...has anyone noticed a marked difference in sensitivity when feeding the line input, between the R-09 and the R-09HR?
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BTW- What's up with that dudes finger nails? Not even clean or trimed straight?
That's a lame hand model for a product shot. Don't scratch me man!
funninest thing i've read in a while ;D ;D
Agreed. :lol:
But here's a hand model upgrade:
(http://www.sweetwater.com/images/closeup/750-R09HR_hand.jpg)
:)
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That's more like it.
Touch me. 8)
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But here's a hand model upgrade:
That is because Sweet Water takes its own pix
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This R-09 HR is as scarce as hens teeth. I have called Roland in Toronto who say there are plenty out there.
but that they are on special order. I have had my order in for some time now. I have called a couple other dealers in my area and their story is the same. Place an order and be put on the list, and it might be this week and it might be a month.
Price quoted was Can $399 and one dealer quoted $370. The $399 dealer says he will match the others price.
It appears the HR is very much iin demand.
Sop I (we) wait --- and wait --- and
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I hope to see something from Full Compass in the next 10 days or so but we'll have to wait and see...
;)
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I hope to see something from Full Compass in the next 10 days or so but we'll have to wait and see...
;)
Just got an update from Full Compass - their first shipment has been pushed back - Now they are stating that Edirol/Roland will be shipping to them around May 10 with the R-09HR's expected arrival at Full Compass around Mid-May. That may change of course...
;)
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got mine, and using (finally) next week for ladytron. One thing I've noticed is that the battery compartment slider door seems a little loose and flimsy. I hope it's not gonna cause problems after I've used (exchanged batteries) a few times. :o :'(
Is this a problem on the R-09 as well?
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got mine, and using (finally) next week for ladytron. One thing I've noticed is that the battery compartment slider door seems a little loose and flimsy. I hope it's not gonna cause problems after I've used (exchanged batteries) a few times. :o :'(
Is this a problem on the R-09 as well?
Only psychologically.
Many expected the sliding battery door to fail on the R-09, but I haven't heard of any problems with it.
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cool, confidence restored :)
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got mine
Samples, post, please?
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MD taper for many years and never upped a show (found some of my recs for sale on a trip to Barcelona a few years back and got very pissed off), hence never got to grips with any upping or sample sharing.
Call me a hick I guess !
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got mine, and using (finally) next week for ladytron. One thing I've noticed is that the battery compartment slider door seems a little loose and flimsy. I hope it's not gonna cause problems after I've used (exchanged batteries) a few times. :o :'(
Is this a problem on the R-09 as well?
Only psychologically.
Many expected the sliding battery door to fail on the R-09, but I haven't heard of any problems with it.
Indeed. It's far stronger than it looks/feels. I have been hammering mine for about 2 years, no problems.
digifish.
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got mine, and using (finally) next week for ladytron. One thing I've noticed is that the battery compartment slider door seems a little loose and flimsy. I hope it's not gonna cause problems after I've used (exchanged batteries) a few times. :o :'(
Is this a problem on the R-09 as well?
Only psychologically.
Many expected the sliding battery door to fail on the R-09, but I haven't heard of any problems with it.
Indeed. It's far stronger than it looks/feels. I have been hammering mine for about 2 years, no problems.
digifish.
Yeah, I used to be really nervous when opening up the battery compartment. But now it feels like second nature. Not saying you shouldn't be careful, but I think it's an issue that got blown out of proportion.
I could say the same about the input jack. Either that, or all of my friends and I have been really lucky.
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Call me a hick I guess !
I'm not asking for anything big or valuable, just something short like Wingfield does to demonstrate how the unit sounds. Spoken word would be a great start.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150232619155
I inquired with the seller about this, and he claims they are ready for immediate shipment.
Hilarious translation for the item description, by the way. :lol:
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"High quality at the studio level can be coded as CD and DAT, etc. are far by the tone quality of a high resolution surpassed."
Damn, if I'd known that I'd have bought two!
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Another video review...
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=6416
digifish.
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seems to be a decent review with good marks
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Did anyone find a review with the SNR graphs like the sonicstudio website had for the non-HR R09?
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Did anyone find a review with the SNR graphs like the sonicstudio website had for the non-HR R09?
yes that would be great to have! Or could maybe some lucky owner of an R-09 HR just post some silent files to compare the noise floor of the machine.
I've just returned my PMD620 to the shop, because I wasn't happy at all with it's line in performance (among other things) comparing it to my friend's Zoom H2.- I need to know what to buy now:-)
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Did anyone find a review with the SNR graphs like the sonicstudio website had for the non-HR R09?
yes! Or could maybe some lucky owner of an R-09 HR post some silent files just to compare the noise floor of the machine
Yes, silent recordings of the line input at equal levels is what we really need.
In all fairness, the original R-09 is not THAT bad in regards to line noise - just not as good as some other devices out there.
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Did anyone find a review with the SNR graphs like the sonicstudio website had for the non-HR R09?
A USA customer of mine has recently pre-ordered one from Sweetwater and having it drop-shipped here so I can measure and post the noise graphs and signal input range like was done on the http://www.sonicstudios.com/r-09revw.htm (http://www.sonicstudios.com/r-09revw.htm).
So stay tuned for what's up on the new R-09HR.
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Did anyone find a review with the SNR graphs like the sonicstudio website had for the non-HR R09?
A USA customer of mine has recently pre-ordered one from Sweetwater and having it drop-shipped here so I can measure and post the noise graphs and signal input range like was done on the http://www.sonicstudios.com/r-09revw.htm (http://www.sonicstudios.com/r-09revw.htm).
So stay tuned for what's up on the new R-09HR.
Nice job, Guy. Keep up the good work. I keep returning to your website when I need to know the input levels for the original R09. :)
Richard
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Just ordered mine from Fullcompass.com. They are of course back ordered, but they report arrival at end of May and shipping immediately. Got it for $358. + $12. shipping. The dude told me they had 175 coming in and less than 30 already ordered. I guess people are nervous because of the mic jack issue on the 1st edition. I'm hopeful Roland is listening to us and this one will be trouble free. I love my 1st edition and have ZERO problems with it over past 2 years.
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Word from Edirol is now 2nd week of June for shipment
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I guess people are nervous because of the mic jack issue on the 1st edition.
I emailed Roland about the mic issue on the R-09 and if it would be addressed in the R-09HR and was told that they were aware of the jack problem and that the jacks on the R-09HR would be "sturdy."
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+T to Edirol, if it holds true LOL
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anyone know when the US release is on this bad boy
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/hydrobud/r09hr_left.jpg)
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should be the beginning of june now
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Whats on the bundled CDR shown in the photo?
I still don't like the jacks on the side, but the hold button hidden on the back seems like a really bad idea to me. Wonder why they felt like they had to move them.
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CD must be drivers and/or player/editing software
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Whats on the bundled CDR shown in the photo?
I still don't like the jacks on the side, but the hold button hidden on the back seems like a really bad idea to me. Wonder why they felt like they had to move them.
Cakewalk “pyro Audio Creator LE” wave-editing software included
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/hydrobud/cd90hr.jpg)
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instead of that dinky lil' stand i would be a lot more tempted if the in-box gunk included a crappy basic protective case or windshield
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For the curious, there is a show on DIME recorded with the new R-09HR's internal mics.
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=195472
<< Note: This is a mono recording. >>
It certainly wouldn't be fair to judge the entire recorder by the use of the internal mics, but it is a nice first listen outside of Edirol's samples. I'm really surprised by the recording...in how bad it sounds! The acoustics in the venue are terrible, but there is a fair amount of hiss/noise in the quiet parts, and the entire recording sounds "shrill". Personally, I think the internals of the old Edirol R-09 would have done a much better job.
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For the curious, there is a show on DIME recorded with the new R-09HR's internal mics. http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=195472
It certainly wouldn't be fair to judge the entire recorder by the use of the internal mics, but it is a nice first listen outside of Edirol's samples. I'm really surprised by the recording...in how bad it sounds! The acoustics in the venue are terrible, but there is a fair amount of hiss/noise in the quiet parts, and the entire recording sounds "shrill". Personally, I think the internals of the old Edirol R-09 would have done a much better job.
That's not really fair to judge or make a comparison to the old R-09 by this recording. There is no mention of location in the venue or even bitrate/resolution. It could even be MP3 based on the overall size of the show. The uploader doesn't even know how to spell "lineage" for God's sake. I'm certainly not going to give this POC recording any merit...
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It could even be MP3 based on the overall size of the show. The uploader doesn't even know how to spell "lineage" for God's sake. I'm certainly not going to give this POC recording any merit...
MP3 based stuff doesn't really compress any differently that lossless stuff when put to FLAC (although it's a stupid thing to do, of course).
The size of this show is probably related to low levels and/or being in mono.
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For the curious, there is a show on DIME recorded with the new R-09HR's internal mics. http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=195472
It certainly wouldn't be fair to judge the entire recorder by the use of the internal mics, but it is a nice first listen outside of Edirol's samples. I'm really surprised by the recording...in how bad it sounds! The acoustics in the venue are terrible, but there is a fair amount of hiss/noise in the quiet parts, and the entire recording sounds "shrill". Personally, I think the internals of the old Edirol R-09 would have done a much better job.
That's not really fair to judge or make a comparison to the old R-09 by this recording. There is no mention of location in the venue or even bitrate/resolution. It could even be MP3 based on the overall size of the show. The uploader doesn't even know how to spell "lineage" for God's sake. I'm certainly not going to give this POC recording any merit...
Yea, piece of crap recording...I agree. I guess samples are going to vary widely. It's the first concert that I have seen taped with the new Edirol R-09HR though.
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Yea, piece of crap recording...I agree.
HMMMMM According to the seeder - "Very good sounding audience recording..." ;D
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For the curious, there is a show on DIME recorded with the new R-09HR's internal mics. http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=195472
It certainly wouldn't be fair to judge the entire recorder by the use of the internal mics, but it is a nice first listen outside of Edirol's samples. I'm really surprised by the recording...in how bad it sounds! The acoustics in the venue are terrible, but there is a fair amount of hiss/noise in the quiet parts, and the entire recording sounds "shrill". Personally, I think the internals of the old Edirol R-09 would have done a much better job.
That's not really fair to judge or make a comparison to the old R-09 by this recording. There is no mention of location in the venue or even bitrate/resolution. It could even be MP3 based on the overall size of the show. The uploader doesn't even know how to spell "lineage" for God's sake. I'm certainly not going to give this POC recording any merit...
Yea, piece of crap recording...I agree. I guess samples are going to vary widely. It's the first concert that I have seen taped with the new Edirol R-09HR though.
I taped my mates, a band called Nebraska, with my R09HR. 320k mp3s but it might help I suppose. Didn't use the internal mics, though, went CA-11 > FEL pre > R09HR
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A6BZSHTE
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For the curious, there is a show on DIME recorded with the new R-09HR's internal mics. http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=195472
It certainly wouldn't be fair to judge the entire recorder by the use of the internal mics, but it is a nice first listen outside of Edirol's samples. I'm really surprised by the recording...in how bad it sounds! The acoustics in the venue are terrible, but there is a fair amount of hiss/noise in the quiet parts, and the entire recording sounds "shrill". Personally, I think the internals of the old Edirol R-09 would have done a much better job.
That's not really fair to judge or make a comparison to the old R-09 by this recording. There is no mention of location in the venue or even bitrate/resolution. It could even be MP3 based on the overall size of the show. The uploader doesn't even know how to spell "lineage" for God's sake. I'm certainly not going to give this POC recording any merit...
Yea, piece of crap recording...I agree. I guess samples are going to vary widely. It's the first concert that I have seen taped with the new Edirol R-09HR though.
I taped my mates, a band called Nebraska, with my R09HR. 320k mp3s but it might help I suppose. Didn't use the internal mics, though, went CA-11 > FEL pre > R09HR
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A6BZSHTE
Thank you for sharing that. 10 times more accurate "samples". The music is good too. :P
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Taped Ladytron with my HR, but funked it right up. Set the rec level to 18, and used 96 setting on the BB.
Then went and plonked myself too close, which means a lovely first timer brick walled recording. last time I did that was on cassette in 1995. About 30 feet from the right stack (engrained in me from 10 years plus of MD recording). That said I've heard a couple of reports of real unhealthy sounds on their current tour. Way saturated with bass, and not good sound in general. They also ramped up the sound by 30% or so for the encore.
So, was annoyed, but the R-09HR is a lovely little unit, and easy to use stealthily with the settings set up to drop the flashing red LED's after 10 secs of flipping the hold switch.
Next up, Einsturzende Neubauten. Gonna be bugging the guys on the Mixer at that one. (meaning am right in front of it, not asking for a patch - I'm NEVER that lucky).
Anyone care to share tips for avaoiding brickwalls would be much appreciated. Is the Edirol very sensitive to this, I guess it has a lot more to do with the mics + bb set up though ?
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Sorry to hear of your troubles. Did you not check the levels when the band started? Essential - I usually check a couple of times during the first couple of songs. Better running it quieter where you can boost in post, if needs be.
Regarding the RED LIGHT - the R09 has a setting where it goes off after two seconds, I would have presumed the HR would be the same?
Good luck with Einsturzende Neubauten - that should be interesting!
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polewka, what mics were you using? One thing that I did notice on the new R-09HR is that they raised the impedance on the mic jack slightly, and lowered it on the line input. I purchased one that should get here by the end of the month. Really want to run some tests for sensitivity, noise, etc...
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AT943's - levels were not peaking - I set at 18 after some good advice from a quality taper. No levels saturated on the display (I check frequently).
95 on the BB, still think it was cause I was too damn close.
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Ah, I used to use the same mics with a battery box, and got distortion running line in on the old R-09. Running mic in with no battery box seemed to fix the problem, although increased the noise floor a bit. (mic gain always on low on the unit itself)
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For the curious, there is a show on DIME recorded with the new R-09HR's internal mics. http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=195472
It certainly wouldn't be fair to judge the entire recorder by the use of the internal mics, but it is a nice first listen outside of Edirol's samples. I'm really surprised by the recording...in how bad it sounds! The acoustics in the venue are terrible, but there is a fair amount of hiss/noise in the quiet parts, and the entire recording sounds "shrill". Personally, I think the internals of the old Edirol R-09 would have done a much better job.
That's not really fair to judge or make a comparison to the old R-09 by this recording. There is no mention of location in the venue or even bitrate/resolution. It could even be MP3 based on the overall size of the show. The uploader doesn't even know how to spell "lineage" for God's sake. I'm certainly not going to give this POC recording any merit...
Yea, piece of crap recording...I agree. I guess samples are going to vary widely. It's the first concert that I have seen taped with the new Edirol R-09HR though.
I taped my mates, a band called Nebraska, with my R09HR. 320k mp3s but it might help I suppose. Didn't use the internal mics, though, went CA-11 > FEL pre > R09HR
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A6BZSHTE
Man, I'd love to hear to those samples, but all I get from Megaupload is this kind message (all the time!!!):
"All download slots assigned to your country are currently in use. Please try again in a few hours or install the Megaupload Toolbar for immediate access - with the toolbar installed, there are no more slot limitations for you!"
::) ::) ::)
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AT943's - levels were not peaking - I set at 18 after some good advice from a quality taper. No levels saturated on the display (I check frequently).
95 on the BB, still think it was cause I was too damn close.
Can't you depend upon the R-09 LED display to see if you're brickwalling? If not, then what good is it? As a soon-to-be owner of a R-09HR I find this very distressing. How do you set your levels if you can't depend upon the LED display? I do NOT have an R-09 nor have I ever used one...yet.
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fear not, for sure the problem is mine, not the technology.
I've a friend with a R-09 and he pulls off awesome recordings........ just need to be able to do the same as I have virtually the same rig as him.
Interesting comments about the BB and the line in though, thanks for your contribution ! Appreciated.
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How do you set your levels if you can't depend upon the LED display? I do NOT have an R-09 nor have I ever used one...yet.
Never, never check levels on site. You're stealthing, right?
You know it's loud (100+ db).
Set levels accordingly, set hold and forget.
Maybe you can compare levels with a known recording device at home in front of the stereo before the show.
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can't resist taking a peak myself when stealthing. Need to reaafirm that I'm not arsing up a great gig. Well that's the plan.........
Ministry (x 2 shows) coming up, so need to resolve these issues before I venture into the world of Al et al.
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Can't you depend upon the R-09 LED display to see if you're brickwalling? If not, then what good is it? As a soon-to-be owner of a R-09HR I find this very distressing. How do you set your levels if you can't depend upon the LED display? I do NOT have an R-09 nor have I ever used one...yet.
Fear ye not! I always check my levels and have never overloaded a recording yet. The only time I was surprised about the volume level suddenly increasing, the display did show the levels going off the scale, so I turned it down.
Never, never check levels on site. You're stealthing, right?
You know it's loud (100+ db).
Set levels accordingly, set hold and forget.
You have a point, but as I find levels change from venue to venue, I always check - discretely though. These days mobile (cell) phones give off more light and the checking the display in your pocket could easily look like you are checking you phone.
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Concur totally Jamroom. Just like a cell. But better, much better :)
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Will the R-10 have cell phone technology? lol
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Can't you depend upon the R-09 LED display to see if you're brickwalling? If not, then what good is it? As a soon-to-be owner of a R-09HR I find this very distressing. How do you set your levels if you can't depend upon the LED display? I do NOT have an R-09 nor have I ever used one...yet.
Fear ye not! I always check my levels and have never overloaded a recording yet. The only time I was surprised about the volume level suddenly increasing, the display did show the levels going off the scale, so I turned it down.
Never, never check levels on site. You're stealthing, right?
You know it's loud (100+ db).
Set levels accordingly, set hold and forget.
You have a point, but as I find levels change from venue to venue, I always check - discretely though. These days mobile (cell) phones give off more light and the checking the display in your pocket could easily look like you are checking you phone.
Thanks for the affirmation on the R-09 LED levels - I always check levels even when stealthing - you are right about the cell phones giving off tons of light, nobody even gives you a second glance when checking levels nowadays...
+T
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I'm thinking on buying this nice device in the very near future since I want to tape more in 24/96-mode. The Microtrack-I I'm now using is a very nice device, which I still will be using and I'm very pleased with. Thing is, I want to know how the R09HR will perform with the equipment I'm using;
- microphones: DPA-4061; AT-943;
- pre-amp: Church Audio ST-9100;
How will the recorder perform with these mics & pre?
Anyone already did some tests with this device in combination with this equip.?
I'd like to know if there are already some accurate results since I've never used a Edirol before..
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How will the recorder perform with these mics & pre?
Quite well.
Why need a pre?
Anyone already did some tests with this device in combination with this equip.?
I did test using BB and mics via line in and it worked well. Sounded great.
Still doubting about using higher samplerates. (big files, little audible benefit?)
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How will the recorder perform with these mics & pre?
Quite well.
Why need a pre?
I use a pre to power the mics with accurate voltage of 9V. The line-in on most recordings doesn't provide that much voltage.
Anyone already did some tests with this device in combination with this equip.?
I did test using BB and mics via line in and it worked well. Sounded great.
Still doubting about using higher samplerates. (big files, little audible benefit?)
What about recording in 24/96? I read somewhere you can record 27min/GB..
Is it possible with this recorder to make a recording lasting for example 200min, without the recorder splitting the file at 2GB like the Microtrack does??
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What about recording in 24/96? I read somewhere you can record 27min/GB..
Could be almost right. I did not test 24/96. Did try 24/88.2.
Is it possible with this recorder to make a recording lasting for example 200min, without the recorder splitting the file at 2GB like the Microtrack does??
The file split size is changable.
2GB max for maximum compatibility I guess. You can easily concatenate the WAV files using sox.
So there is no problem there.
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What about recording in 24/96? I read somewhere you can record 27min/GB..
Is it possible with this recorder to make a recording lasting for example 200min, without the recorder splitting the file at 2GB like the Microtrack does??
The Edirol has seamless splits at 2gb.
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What about recording in 24/96? I read somewhere you can record 27min/GB..
Is it possible with this recorder to make a recording lasting for example 200min, without the recorder splitting the file at 2GB like the Microtrack does??
The Edirol has seamless splits at 2gb.
Does this mean you have to make a new file, or is that something the recorder will do on it's own??
For example; When I tape 216min in 24/96, will I then automatically get 4 files of each 54min on a 4GB SD-card?
Or, in other words.. do I have to start up a new file (by hand) after each 54min?? (like I now have to do with my MT-I)
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Does this mean you have to make a new file, or is that something the recorder will do on it's own??
It's all automagic.
For example; When I tape 216min in 24/96, will I then automatically get 4 files of each 54min on a 4GB SD-card?
Nope.
24/96 consumes over 2GB/hr. So after less than 2 hours it's over.
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Get a bigger card for longer shows. I'm on an 8gb card, but other guys are using at least 16gb cards for R09s - check the threads.
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Has anyone with an R-09HR in hand done any of the following tests:
1. Opened up the R-09HR to see if the input jacks are secured.
2. Found what the "unity gain" setting is.
3. Done a blind A-B comparison of the ADC with the R-09 (ie: running line-in to each unit, same source material, same bit depth and sampling rate, same overall levels).
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Has anyone with an R-09HR in hand done any of the following tests:
1. Opened up the R-09HR to see if the input jacks are secured.
2. Found what the "unity gain" setting is.
3. Done a blind A-B comparison of the ADC with the R-09 (ie: running line-in to each unit, same source material, same bit depth and sampling rate, same overall levels).
That's what I'm wanting to know.
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Has anyone with an R-09HR in hand done any of the following tests:
1. Opened up the R-09HR to see if the input jacks are secured.
2. Found what the "unity gain" setting is.
3. Done a blind A-B comparison of the ADC with the R-09 (ie: running line-in to each unit, same source material, same bit depth and sampling rate, same overall levels).
Just tell me what chip(s) are inside. I want to see if it is an improvement over the original R09. Preamp self-noise, in particular. In all other aspects I'm happy with the original R09.
Richard
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Just back from taping a band called Big Dave. Finally decided that maybe using a pre at really loud shows was unnecessary, so went CA-11s > R09HR mic-in.
My ears are pretty screwy, so no real point in fiddling with the results yet, but it sounds pretty good to me. Will get samples up tomorrow if possible.
The show was most excellent, btw.
8)
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Just back from taping a band called Big Dave. Finally decided that maybe using a pre at really loud shows was unnecessary,
Congrats for leaving unnecessary equipment home! ;D
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Has anyone with an R-09HR in hand done any of the following tests:
1. Opened up the R-09HR to see if the input jacks are secured.
2. Found what the "unity gain" setting is.
3. Done a blind A-B comparison of the ADC with the R-09 (ie: running line-in to each unit, same source material, same bit depth and sampling rate, same overall levels).
Someone else will open one.
Unity gain is less important than on the R09. Selfnoise should be even lower on the HR. Default gain is 2 dBu at 40.
And it sounds good via line-in. I have no audiophile ears to compare with the R-09 which also sounds good.
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Just back from taping a band called Big Dave. Finally decided that maybe using a pre at really loud shows was unnecessary,
Congrats for leaving unnecessary equipment home! ;D
Hehe... it was a royal pain, too many shows where my batteries died after 40 minutes, mid song, there goes the quality.
:(
Might have to invest in a battery box, not sure how long the HR will power my mics.
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Has anyone with an R-09HR in hand done any of the following tests:
1. Opened up the R-09HR to see if the input jacks are secured.
2. Found what the "unity gain" setting is.
3. Done a blind A-B comparison of the ADC with the R-09 (ie: running line-in to each unit, same source material, same bit depth and sampling rate, same overall levels).
Someone else will open one.
Unity gain is less important than on the R09. Selfnoise should be even lower on the HR. Default gain is 2 dBu at 40.
And it sounds good via line-in. I have no audiophile ears to compare with the R-09 which also sounds good.
Yes, if/when I get an R-09HR, I will not open mine up for fear of screwing things up (and possibly voiding the warranty).
I think "unity gain" is no less important than on the R-09. The idea isn't about self-noise, it's about not adding or subtracting gain from the original signal.
Nice to hear that it sounds good. I'd still like to hear a blind comp, even if I can't tell the difference between the two.
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New sample, from my recording of Big Dave last night. Alas, I don't know the name of the track yet.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LKAQKKFM
Went CA-11's > R09HR mic-in, ran at input 45. Turned out nicely, I think.
Nothing done to the wav apart from a slight volume bump (amplified by 1.4db in audacity) then flac'd.
Wicked band, comprising drummer Seb Rochford and bassist Ruth Goller of Acoustic Ladyland, and Pat Walden, formerly of Babyshambles.
www.myspace.com/bigdaveband
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New sample, from my recording of Big Dave last night. Alas, I don't know the name of the track yet.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LKAQKKFM
Went CA-11's > R09HR mic-in, ran at input 45. Turned out nicely, I think.
Nothing done to the wav apart from a slight volume bump (amplified by 1.4db in audacity) then flac'd.
Wicked band, comprising drummer Seb Rochford and bassist Ruth Goller of Acoustic Ladyland, and Pat Walden, formerly of Babyshambles.
www.myspace.com/bigdaveband
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Hope I'm not bothering you.
Do you have those recordings at archive.org? I'd love to hear those samples, but it seems to be impossible with megaupload.
Thanks in advance ;)
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[I think "unity gain" is no less important than on the R-09. The idea isn't about self-noise, it's about not adding or subtracting gain from the original signal.
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I think it's about recording with the highest possible resolution. Peaks just below 0dBFS.
With 24 bits you can relax a bit but the idea still stands.
Unity gain can't help here: mics -> BB -> recorder.
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I think it's about recording with the highest possible resolution. Peaks just below 0dBFS.
With 24 bits you can relax a bit but the idea still stands.
Unity gain can't help here: mics -> BB -> recorder.
I disagree, the R09 had/has line in input issues, and this one will have to be tested against the same concern
This has nothing to do with the 24 or 16 bit settings, it has to do with the deck adding gain or taking out gain on its own
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Wow, that sample sounds great!
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New sample, from my recording of Big Dave last night. Alas, I don't know the name of the track yet.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LKAQKKFM
Went CA-11's > R09HR mic-in, ran at input 45. Turned out nicely, I think.
Nothing done to the wav apart from a slight volume bump (amplified by 1.4db in audacity) then flac'd.
Wicked band, comprising drummer Seb Rochford and bassist Ruth Goller of Acoustic Ladyland, and Pat Walden, formerly of Babyshambles.
www.myspace.com/bigdaveband
8)
Hope I'm not bothering you.
Do you have those recordings at archive.org? I'd love to hear those samples, but it seems to be impossible with megaupload.
Thanks in advance ;)
big Dave aren't on the archive, I don't think. It was only their second gig.
I can do a yousendit or a sendspace or something this evening. Will put a few other tunes up, too.
;D
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I think it's about recording with the highest possible resolution. Peaks just below 0dBFS.
With 24 bits you can relax a bit but the idea still stands.
Unity gain can't help here: mics -> BB -> recorder.
I disagree, the R09 had/has line in input issues, and this one will have to be tested against the same concern
With what do you disagree? Your arguments look confused.
Mechanical stability is different from electronics quality. The latter is what we mostly can hear. The first if the machine is broken.
The HR is supposed to have lower noisefloor.Not just lower mic in noisefloor.
What line issues do you mean? loose jacks or noise peaks?
This has nothing to do with the 24 or 16 bit settings, it has to do with the deck adding gain or taking out gain on its own
You'd rather not add or reduce gain and record with increased headroom? If so you're wasting bits.
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This has nothing to do with the 24 or 16 bit settings, it has to do with the deck adding gain or taking out gain on its own
You'd rather not add or reduce gain and record with increased headroom? If so you're wasting bits.
The idea is to use the best quality gain available. For a lot of people, that is with their external preamps (Aerco, V2, V3, MiniMP, etc.). I'd rather use the gain from my preamp and use the recorder for an ADC only, then add or subtract gain with the recorder in addition to the ADC function.
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The idea is to use the best quality gain available. For a lot of people, that is with their external preamps (Aerco, V2, V3, MiniMP, etc.). I'd rather use the gain from my preamp and use the recorder for an ADC only, then add or subtract gain with the recorder in addition to the ADC function.
It might be, due to the supposed quieter analog section, that the gain of the HR might be more usable to the people preferring to carry around a pre-amp.
It's all, of course, depending on your ears and the rest of the situation you're in
I've never used gain of any deck I've used, I think. Yes, weird.
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The idea is to use the best quality gain available. For a lot of people, that is with their external preamps (Aerco, V2, V3, MiniMP, etc.). I'd rather use the gain from my preamp and use the recorder for an ADC only, then add or subtract gain with the recorder in addition to the ADC function.
It might be, due to the supposed quieter analog section, that the gain of the HR might be more usable to the people preferring to carry around a pre-amp.
It's all, of course, depending on your ears and the rest of the situation you're in
I've never used gain of any deck I've used, I think. Yes, weird.
I highly doubt anyone here is going to prefer using the R-09HR's gain instead of the high quality preamps I mentioned above. I suppose you never know until you try it for yourself, though.
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New sample, from my recording of Big Dave last night. Alas, I don't know the name of the track yet.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LKAQKKFM
Went CA-11's > R09HR mic-in, ran at input 45. Turned out nicely, I think.
Nothing done to the wav apart from a slight volume bump (amplified by 1.4db in audacity) then flac'd.
Wicked band, comprising drummer Seb Rochford and bassist Ruth Goller of Acoustic Ladyland, and Pat Walden, formerly of Babyshambles.
www.myspace.com/bigdaveband
8)
Hope I'm not bothering you.
Do you have those recordings at archive.org? I'd love to hear those samples, but it seems to be impossible with megaupload.
Thanks in advance ;)
big Dave aren't on the archive, I don't think. It was only their second gig.
I can do a yousendit or a sendspace or something this evening. Will put a few other tunes up, too.
;D
Oh, please do!
Appreciate it ;D ;D ;D
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Has anyone learned when this machine will hit the market in the States?
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New sample, from my recording of Big Dave last night. Alas, I don't know the name of the track yet.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LKAQKKFM
Went CA-11's > R09HR mic-in, ran at input 45. Turned out nicely, I think.
Nothing done to the wav apart from a slight volume bump (amplified by 1.4db in audacity) then flac'd.
Wicked band, comprising drummer Seb Rochford and bassist Ruth Goller of Acoustic Ladyland, and Pat Walden, formerly of Babyshambles.
www.myspace.com/bigdaveband
8)
Hope I'm not bothering you.
Do you have those recordings at archive.org? I'd love to hear those samples, but it seems to be impossible with megaupload.
Thanks in advance ;)
big Dave aren't on the archive, I don't think. It was only their second gig.
I can do a yousendit or a sendspace or something this evening. Will put a few other tunes up, too.
;D
Oh, please do!
Appreciate it ;D ;D ;D
http://download.yousendit.com/79E6AD245A95B9B2
Yousend'ed it the first track. Way too many beers this evening to do any more, though. Probably a couple more tomorrow.
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I highly doubt anyone here is going to prefer using the R-09HR's gain instead of the high quality preamps I mentioned above. I suppose you never know until you try it for yourself, though.
I think I can agree. No one that has invested into some extra gear to carry around will easily admit that a simpler setup sounds quite OK.
But I am not talking preferences.
I am talking numbers.
Just some verifiable performance stats. SNR, linearity, THD, etc, etc.
I don't claim to have golden ears.
I just listen and think it's OK or perhaps better than the R-09.
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Has anyone learned when this machine will hit the market in the States?
Full Compass is now telling me that their first shipment will be sent to them the first week of June.......2008... ;) 2nd Full Compass shipment will be the following week... We'll see.
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New sample, from my recording of Big Dave last night. Alas, I don't know the name of the track yet.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LKAQKKFM
Went CA-11's > R09HR mic-in, ran at input 45. Turned out nicely, I think.
Nothing done to the wav apart from a slight volume bump (amplified by 1.4db in audacity) then flac'd.
Wicked band, comprising drummer Seb Rochford and bassist Ruth Goller of Acoustic Ladyland, and Pat Walden, formerly of Babyshambles.
www.myspace.com/bigdaveband
8)
Hope I'm not bothering you.
Do you have those recordings at archive.org? I'd love to hear those samples, but it seems to be impossible with megaupload.
Thanks in advance ;)
big Dave aren't on the archive, I don't think. It was only their second gig.
I can do a yousendit or a sendspace or something this evening. Will put a few other tunes up, too.
;D
Oh, please do!
Appreciate it ;D ;D ;D
http://download.yousendit.com/79E6AD245A95B9B2
Yousend'ed it the first track. Way too many beers this evening to do any more, though. Probably a couple more tomorrow.
Thanks a lot. Sounds really good ;D
+T
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Just to say I went to the store where I had placed my order for the HR and it was there waiting for me. $399 can.
Someone had failed to call me and say it was in store. Been there a couple days.
So now you know it is in Southern Ontario at least.
Now I can open the box and see what is inside.
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I'd like to see how they reinforced the jacks and the type of epoxy used (if any).
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Hello everyone,
Is the R09HR already available in Canada? No, I don't live in Canada, but my wife is going to a TV comercial shooting session for a week in Canada ( no, she's not the star...) in June. This way she would bring it to me back home.
Thanks in advance for any help ;)
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Hyper vigilant US Border guard/Customs agent- "What's in the bag, maim? Gray market electronic surveillance equipment?" :P
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Samples:
Brief bit of the fellow supporting Bon Iver last night, recorded with the R09HRs internal mics, about 25 feet away, set to low gain, 24/96, can't remember the exact input volume because I was on the cider. Impressed with the quality though.
http://download.yousendit.com/3CB277A25711BD3E
:-[
A sample of Bon Iver's set with my full rig.... CA11s > FEL BMA 1 > R09HR. mp3, but I'm not uploading anymore until I fixed a couple of coughs (my own, alas, alas) and I've got permission to distribute.
Again, the exact settings are hazy... B.I varied wildly in volume from loud to barely there to loud again. Sounds grand to me, though:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0I1RVP1H
;D
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Edirol has pushed back to mid June now
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All I can say is that I ordered mine a few weeks ago.
They were supposed to call me when it came in.
A little bird told me to go in and see them, and when I did, my HR was waiting for me.
I dealt with Long and McQuade in Burlington, ont. (A chain)
I believe that Hamilton (?) Video has them.
Now whether they are for open sale or to fill orders - I know not. Sales people are very tightlipped >>> don't ask me why.
Thats all I can tell you.
Sorry.
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All I can say is that I ordered mine a few weeks ago.
They were supposed to call me when it came in.
A little bird told me to go in and see them, and when I did, my HR was waiting for me.
I dealt with Long and McQuade in Burlington, ont. (A chain)
I believe that Hamilton (?) Video has them.
Now whether they are for open sale or to fill orders - I know not. Sales people are very tightlipped >>> don't ask me why.
Thats all I can tell you.
Sorry.
Thanks a lot, friend ;)
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Edirol has pushed back to mid June now
Argh, this is becoming a lottery. I have a show to tape on June 20th, and one day it seems like it will get here in time...the next day not so much. The guy at Full Compass said May 27th when I first ordered, but I knew he was way off.
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Edirol has pushed back to mid June now
Full Compass told me just a few days ago that they would receive their first shipment the first week of June... I wonder if that has changed now?
I'd love to know if they reinforced the input jacks and the type of epoxy used (if any). Has anyone spoken with the company about this or have any of the folks that actually have a unit now opened one of them up?
:hmmm:
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I'd love to know if they reinforced the input jacks and the type of epoxy used (if any). Has anyone spoken with the company about this or have any of the folks that actually have a unit now opened one of them up?
:hmmm:
See:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,103524.0.html
Asked and answered :D
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I'd love to know if they reinforced the input jacks and the type of epoxy used (if any). Has anyone spoken with the company about this or have any of the folks that actually have a unit now opened one of them up?
:hmmm:
See:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,103524.0.html
Asked and answered :D
The input jack issue was only a problem for a limited number of units in the first run. I don't know why people keep making a big deal about it, because the units since that run have been rock solid. I have 50+ stealth shows on my unit now with no issue.
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I'd love to know if they reinforced the input jacks and the type of epoxy used (if any). Has anyone spoken with the company about this or have any of the folks that actually have a unit now opened one of them up?
:hmmm:
See:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,103524.0.html
Asked and answered :D
The input jack issue was only a problem for a limited number of units in the first run. I don't know why people keep making a big deal about it, because the units since that run have been rock solid. I have 50+ stealth shows on my unit now with no issue.
Super!!! I did not know that - I do not have a R-09, but I will have a R-09HR!
Thank you.
+T to you gentlemen!!
:)
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The input jack issue was only a problem for a limited number of units in the first run. I don't know why people keep making a big deal about it, because the units since that run have been rock solid. I have 50+ stealth shows on my unit now with no issue.
My R-09 wasn't from the first run, and I too had 50+ shows without issue... Then out of no where the line-in jack disconnected from the PCB.
IMO their fix of adding a drop or two of glue was/is hardly an adequate fix. It is simply a poor design.
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The input jack issue was only a problem for a limited number of units in the first run. I don't know why people keep making a big deal about it, because the units since that run have been rock solid. I have 50+ stealth shows on my unit now with no issue.
My R-09 wasn't from the first run, and I too had 50+ shows without issue... Then out of no where the line-in jack disconnected from the PCB.
IMO their fix of adding a drop or two of glue was/is hardly an adequate fix. It is simply a poor design.
If you can post the serial number, it would be possible to identify its age.
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The input jack issue was only a problem for a limited number of units in the first run. I don't know why people keep making a big deal about it, because the units since that run have been rock solid. I have 50+ stealth shows on my unit now with no issue.
My R-09 wasn't from the first run, and I too had 50+ shows without issue... Then out of no where the line-in jack disconnected from the PCB.
IMO their fix of adding a drop or two of glue was/is hardly an adequate fix. It is simply a poor design.
If you can post the serial number, it would be possible to identify its age.
Ser # BU91186
The jacks in this unit had the white silicone / glue between them and the PCB.
This glue was Edirol's fix for the problem on all the newer units. While better it still is weak. The input jacks should have been fastened by posts going through the board, like the headphone jack is. ::)
Edit to add: Don't get me wrong, I love the R09, it just sucks to pay that kind of cash for something and have break because of a poor design that probably saved them a few cents per unit in manufacturing.
I really hope the R09HR has the problem fixed.
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Yeah - BU is pretty new. My AU has been rock solid.
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Yeah - BU is pretty new. My AU has been rock solid.
Mine is # BV06374. I bought it like 1 1/2 years ago. Almost 40 shows. No problem at all so far (knock-knock-knock) ;)
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I have ZU64366. Is that a first run or later?
The last time I used it for a board patch, I had to wiggle the line-in to get both channels to work. I have to open mine and use epoxy.
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Just so that inquisitive folks will see this and NOT ask redundant questions like I did... ;)
Information from Roland posted in the "Retail Section" concerning the R-09 & the potential R-09HR input jack stability problem:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,103524.0.html
I wonder if the issue with the input jacks has been fixed ??? The end of July I'll have had mine a year and they're still holding up. rWc3523
I am wondering the same. Folks that have them have not opened them up and took photos of the guts for us.
Hi everyone, I emailed Roland awhile back with the same question and this is what customer support told me:
PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND DIRECTLY TO THIS EMAIL.
The following information applies to Roland / BOSS / Edirol products sold in the U.S. only.
To: su6oxone@gmail.com
RE: Support Request #26094
Product: R-09HR
Subject: R-09HR -- no more input jack worries (like the R-09)?
Question: Hi,
Have another question about the R-09HR. The R-09 had a lot of problems with the line-in/mic jacks becoming disconnected from the circuit board and a lot of people had to send those in for repairs or solder them on themselves. Two questions:
1. Has the input jack problem been addressed for the more recently manufactured R-09s (the problem seemed to mostly affect 2006-made R-09s)?
2. And has it been addressed for the new R-09HRs (e.g. more solid connections w/epoxy, etc.)?
Thank you!
Sub,
Answers to your questions can be found below:
1. Yes. The R-09s now contain reinforcement for the input jack's connection to the internal circuit board--this has solved previous input jack problems.
2. Yes. The R-09HRs contain strong input jack reinforcement for sturdy connectivity. [/b]
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Pardon me if I'm asking something that's already been asked, but has anyone actually used the HR yet? Are the electronics/mikes/etc. any better? Is there less hiss?
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I've used mine a few times now. i'm no expert, and I've not done any rigourous testing, but there are a few samples around in this thread that should help give you a vague idea.
The HR sounds great to me, a couple of my recordings with it are easily the best I've made yet. How much of that is down to improvements in the recorder, or down to recording in 24/96 rather than 24/48 I don't know.
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Does anybody know if the ADC in the HR is the same as in the original R9?
or, if a company like www.blacklionaudio.com could do an upgrade of the ADC/DAC stuff? i.e. the digital clock?
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FYI - Japanese R09HR video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CspJwWmeXpo
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kind of funny IMHO
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is the-09 being discontinued in favor of the HR?
I hear this from sound professionals and just wanted to see what people have heard.
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is the-09 being discontinued in favor of the HR?
I hear this from sound professionals and just wanted to see what people have heard.
Yes. There will be a period of changeover when both are available to run down stocks. Same happened for the Edirol R1 vs R09
digifish
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I've made two recordings with the R-09HR now, and I have to say I love it. I had never used (or seen) one of the previous models but found it very easy to operate.
I did not test the built-in mics since I don't have any plans to actually use them, but ran it from my Nbox and everything worked just as I had hoped.
Kickdown: http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,104530.0.html
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Hello:
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kind of funny IMHO
Check this one out. Everyone in the room had to be jacked, including the camera man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV7b_k9oeZ0&feature=related
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Latest R09HR sample:
Dirty Pretty Things from the Astoria in London, last night. Mics > HR, ran at 45, peaked at round about -4, -5.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=46THE2YV
Pineapple job, thought I'd surely be squashed on several occasions, but seems to have turned out nicely.
:D
mp3'd because I'm in a hurry to get to work.
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udovdh
Need digi-out? You mention this and I am not aware of its implications. As I said, I am not acquainted with this recording business.
Could you please give me a short meaning of the term.
The R09 has a combined analog and digital (optical) out on the headphone jack. The HR does not, only analog. It's rather a moot point for 99% of users as they get the file digitally by copying over USB to a PC. I suppose some people are using the digi-out as a live feed to other gear?
digifish
Im a newbie but whats the use of digital output when You can pull off memory card and connect it via usb card reader?
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udovdh
Need digi-out? You mention this and I am not aware of its implications. As I said, I am not acquainted with this recording business.
Could you please give me a short meaning of the term.
The R09 has a combined analog and digital (optical) out on the headphone jack. The HR does not, only analog. It's rather a moot point for 99% of users as they get the file digitally by copying over USB to a PC. I suppose some people are using the digi-out as a live feed to other gear?
digifish
Im a newbie but whats the use of digital output when You can pull off memory card and connect it via usb card reader?
I use the optical SPDIF out for playback quite frequently. I gave a digital patch out of it to someone else.. once.
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With already a few people in this forum with a R-09 HR in their hands, would any one of them to be so kind and maybe post some silent recordings ? 1 minute samples at 24bits 48khz would be enough (16bit and other sampling rates are welcome too)
1. Internal mics (the clock ticking recording example would be fine)
2. Line in recording with no signal present
Thanks at lot !
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With already a few people in this forum with a R-09 HR in their hands, would any one of them to be so kind and maybe post some silent recordings ? 1 minute samples at 24bits 48khz would be enough (16bit and other sampling rates are welcome too)
1. Internal mics (the clock ticking recording example would be fine)
2. Line in recording with no signal present
Thanks at lot !
I posted a few ticking clock internal mic samples, they ought to be lurking around on this thread somewhere. Can do some line-in samples at the weekend.
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Is it possible to run this new recorder with 'standard' rechargable 1.2V/800mAh battery's??
Or should I go with the 2500mAh battery's offered at the SP-site??
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Why not just use standard Energizer 2500mah batteries you can buy at Wal-Mart/Target/etc? That is what I use in my R09 and I get way more time than there space on a 4gb memory card (running at 24/48)
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With a UA-5 and no digi-in on the R09HR I was wondering if I would take a dual RCA > 1/8" stereo mini cable... RCA outs of a UA-5 > Line-in on the R09HR?
Anyone running a UA-5 into the R09HR? Bad idea? I know the RCAs won't be balanced and dare I say as "clean" as running optical out to the h120 digi-in for example.
Thanks in advance.
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Why distrust the A/D of the HR?
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I run V3 > custom twin XLR-1/8" stereo mini > R-09. Never had a problem.
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Sweetwater apparently has these in stock and ready to ship.
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Fullcompass says they will receive their shipment on June 5th and ship out immediately. This I heard directly from one of their reps by phone yesterday...
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Sweetwater apparently has these in stock and ready to ship.
mine shipped today, should be here monday!
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Used my HR a couple of times. First time at a god awful sounding Ladytron show which yielded good but not great results (that and I was too close).
2nd attempt was last week at the E Neubauten show in London / Kentish Town Forum. Great rec (literally in front of board). Taped 24/48 and rec. level 14. Only issue being a rather echoey vocal that the venue produced. The instrumentation sounded sublime.
Ran it with SP-CMC-8's and a SP BB too (set at 95).
Probably the best rec. I've done. Missed Ministry this weekend due to work commitments, but will be taping Yazoo next week at Manchester/Apollo. Taping next to a friend who is using the R-09 and also a pre amp, so should be interesting to go head to head and see what he pulls with the 'old faithful' R-09.
As an aside, the 5 switches on the back are a royal pain in the ass. All have been set in place - covered -(except 'Hold' naturally) with tape to avoid any problems in the dark at gigs. Why the 'Hold' couldn't be on the side is beyond me.
Also, there seems to be a OSD menu version of 'AGC/Limiter' and also a switch on the back too. I'm presuming that the switch on the back is a manual override ?
Anyone ?
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How useful is the wireless remote? What is the usable range for the remote?
I'm thinking I could set the R-09HR for a SBD patch, go to my seat, and start the recording from my seat with the remote.
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sweetwater just shipped mine... should have it early next week. :)
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2nd attempt was last week at the E Neubauten show in London / Kentish Town Forum. Great rec (literally in front of board). Taped 24/48 and rec. level 14. Only issue being a rather echoey vocal that the venue produced. The instrumentation sounded sublime.
Why not record at the max 24/96 since it's available on the HR?
As an aside, the 5 switches on the back are a royal pain in the ass. All have been set in place - covered -(except 'Hold' naturally) with tape to avoid any problems in the dark at gigs. Why the 'Hold' couldn't be on the side is beyond me.
Just wondering if the placement of the switches is an issue? The original has 4 switches on the back too, but up near the top. Hold switch is handy on the side for sure...
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ok i just picked one up in toronto.
i had the R-09 for over a year before i sold it last month.
i'll report back about the new one shortly
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Got mine incoming at the moment..
I've got no experiences with the R-09 (only used MT in the past). I'm taping with DPA4061 & AT943 mics and using a Church Audio ST-9100 pre.
I'd like to know which adjustments I have to make (at the back of the recorder) with this gear to make recordings at loud rockshows.
- limiter/AGC: off/on;
- plug-in power: off/on;
- low cut: off/on;
- mic gain: L/H
Can someone help me with this matter? What is the best way to use it..(?)
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Got mine incoming at the moment..
I've got no experiences with the R-09 (only used MT in the past). I'm taping with DPA4061 & AT943 mics and using a Church Audio ST-9100 pre.
I'd like to know which adjustments I have to make (at the back of the recorder) with this gear to make recordings at loud rockshows.
- limiter/AGC: off/on;
- plug-in power: off/on;
- low cut: off/on;
- mic gain: L/H
Can someone help me with this matter? What is the best way to use it..(?)
AGC - Off. You'll adjust the gain from the 9100 manually on the fly
Plug-in power off - You'll power the mics with the 9100
Low Cut - Off. Adjust bass in post in need be
Mic Gain - Off. I think this is a 20 db or so switch. 9100 gives +20 if you need it.
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Got mine incoming at the moment..
I've got no experiences with the R-09 (only used MT in the past). I'm taping with DPA4061 & AT943 mics and using a Church Audio ST-9100 pre.
I'd like to know which adjustments I have to make (at the back of the recorder) with this gear to make recordings at loud rockshows.
- limiter/AGC: off/on;
- plug-in power: off/on;
- low cut: off/on;
- mic gain: L/H
Can someone help me with this matter? What is the best way to use it..(?)
AGC - Off. You'll adjust the gain from the 9100 manually on the fly
Plug-in power off - You'll power the mics with the 9100
Low Cut - Off. Adjust bass in post in need be
Mic Gain - Off. I think this is a 20 db or so switch. 9100 gives +20 if you need it.
thanks man! :)
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Where did you get the R9HR in Toronto? I'm guessing Long and McQuade?
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jmz93 pmed
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I don't work for these guys - just passing on the info.
JMZ93
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Just got off the phone with sweetwater, they will match the minidisco.com price with discount.
I'll post some pictures of the r09hr's innards by the end of the week. 8)
Thanks for the heads up on the minidisco discount. +T
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I'll post some pictures of the r09hr's innards by the end of the week. 8)
You butcher! ;D
No fear, eh?
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I'll post some pictures of the r09hr's innards by the end of the week. 8)
You butcher! ;D
No fear, eh?
I am just going to lift the cover off to see the how the input jacks are mounted.
If it's the same as the R09 it's going back.
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New HR sample:
Ida Maria Live at Kings College London, last night: 24/96.
CA11's > R09HR (ran at i/p of 45). Bumped up 3.9db in Audacity and chopped, then flac'd. I love the sound of these drums.
When I checked it about five minutes after the show, my expression was much like this: :o
:D
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When I checked it about five minutes after the show, my expression was much like this: :o
:D
When are we going to hear???
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Haha! Oops.
Try this: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3GCJ7D6C
;) :-[
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Is there a definite positive difference in audio quality recording with internal mics on the new Edirol?
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Got my R-09HR today :) Nice little recorder. It definitely feels more robust than the R-09. I'll take pictures some other day comparing it to the R-09, unless someone else wants to before I get around to it.
I did a couple quick tests, one being an ADC test (will post the link here when the files are done uploading). While I don't know how to measure unity gain, I did a quick test on the gain structure. I recorded a sine wave from my iMac > recorder line-in. At the particular output level of my iMac, we get the following:
R-09 (level, peak) (reference standard at supposed unity gain level 8):
8, -24.2dB
13, -19.6 (default input gain)
R-09HR (level, peak) (default is 40):
40, -21.5dB
39, -22
38, -22.5
37, -23
36, -23.5
35, -24
34, -24.5
33, -25
I did not run further down or up to see if this "half dB per gain click" continues to hold true. According to this, levels 35 or 34 would best approximate the R-09 level 8. For my ADC test, I chose level 35.
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ADC Comp here:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,104920.0.html
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I did a couple quick tests, one being an ADC test (will post the link here when the files are done uploading). While I don't know how to measure unity gain, I did a quick test on the gain structure. I recorded a sine wave from my iMac > recorder line-in. At the particular output level of my iMac, we get the following:
I am new to the concept of unity gain (well in the testing sense). I always run my R09 at 8 and fix anything in post.
Why are you saying 34-35 is the best spot for the R09HR?
I am not a sound engineer, but I do believe what people tell me here on this board, so I am kind of looking for the "tell me like I am a 2nd grader" definition (but no book long level is required).
+T
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I did a couple quick tests, one being an ADC test (will post the link here when the files are done uploading). While I don't know how to measure unity gain, I did a quick test on the gain structure. I recorded a sine wave from my iMac > recorder line-in. At the particular output level of my iMac, we get the following:
I am new to the concept of unity gain (well in the testing sense). I always run my R09 at 8 and fix anything in post.
Why are you saying 34-35 is the best spot for the R09HR?
I am not a sound engineer, but I do believe what people tell me here on this board, so I am kind of looking for the "tell me like I am a 2nd grader" definition (but no book long level is required).
+T
I'm not saying that it's the best spot. I'm saying that it best matches level 8 on the R-09 (closest to the same dB value for my line-in sine wave test).
Someone with some know-how will have to do some tests to figure out the unity gain. I have no idea how to accomplish that.
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I'm not saying that it's the best spot. I'm saying that it best matches level 8 on the R-09 (closest to the same dB value for my line-in sine wave test).
Someone with some know-how will have to do some tests to figure out the unity gain. I have no idea how to accomplish that.
I got it, thanks.
I have a show on Sunday, and I am contemplating running the R-09HR vs the R09, but I would need to know where to set it LOL
Bottom line for me, I just buy what my ears like, but when it comes to sound engineering, I leave it to people with that experience here to help me along :)
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Got my R-09HR today :) Nice little recorder. It definitely feels more robust than the R-09. I'll take pictures some other day comparing it to the R-09, unless someone else wants to before I get around to it.
I did a couple quick tests, one being an ADC test (will post the link here when the files are done uploading). While I don't know how to measure unity gain, I did a quick test on the gain structure. I recorded a sine wave from my iMac > recorder line-in. At the particular output level of my iMac, we get the following:
R-09 (level, peak) (reference standard at supposed unity gain level 8):
8, -24.2dB
13, -19.6 (default input gain)
R-09HR (level, peak) (default is 40):
40, -21.5dB
39, -22
38, -22.5
37, -23
36, -23.5
35, -24
34, -24.5
33, -25
I did not run further down or up to see if this "half dB per gain click" continues to hold true. According to this, levels 35 or 34 would best approximate the R-09 level 8. For my ADC test, I chose level 35.
Thanks for your tests ;) .I don't have a R09HR (yet) and it's good to have a clue about unity gain.
+T
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Just got off the phone with sweetwater, they will match the minidisco.com price with discount.
I'll post some pictures of the r09hr's innards by the end of the week. 8)
Thanks for the heads up on the minidisco discount. +T
Yes, please post.
I'm most interested if they've improved the mic gain, reducing the self noise. Even a few dB would help me greatly with my various omni mic capsules.
Richard
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Got my R-09HR today :) Nice little recorder. It definitely feels more robust than the R-09. I'll take pictures some other day comparing it to the R-09, unless someone else wants to before I get around to it.
I did a couple quick tests, one being an ADC test (will post the link here when the files are done uploading). While I don't know how to measure unity gain, I did a quick test on the gain structure. I recorded a sine wave from my iMac > recorder line-in. At the particular output level of my iMac, we get the following:
R-09 (level, peak) (reference standard at supposed unity gain level 8):
8, -24.2dB
13, -19.6 (default input gain)
R-09HR (level, peak) (default is 40):
40, -21.5dB
39, -22
38, -22.5
37, -23
36, -23.5
35, -24
34, -24.5
33, -25
I did not run further down or up to see if this "half dB per gain click" continues to hold true. According to this, levels 35 or 34 would best approximate the R-09 level 8. For my ADC test, I chose level 35.
Excellent. Thanks for the info.
Some questions:
- the HR has gain #00 to #100, right? Does it have a high/lo sens setting as well?
- the R09 has steps of 1dB, #00 to #30, while the HR has steps of 0.5dB. OK. From your measurements it looks like #10 on the R09 is approx. #40 on the HR. If this is true then #30 on the Edirol is approx #80 on the HR. OK, my question is do you get any better SNR on the HR unit? How to test? Try setting both units to high gain, eg., #30 on the R09, #80 on the HR, plug a (low noise) mic in and see which has more hiss. As a sanity check, make sure both are peaking around the same levels.
I'm anxious to know if the self noise is better on the HR, since I need (a bit) lower noise for my various omni "hat mics".
Thanks!!!
Richard
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Someone just posted a Judas Priest show recorded with the R09HR using the internal mics. Here is the link if you want to hear the results: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=199579
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Someone just posted a Judas Priest show recorded with the R09HR using the internal mics. Here is the link if you want to hear the results: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=199579
I thought that too, then noticed:
EQUIPMENT: EDIROL R-09HR + SONY ECM-DS70P MIC
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Got my R-09HR today :) Nice little recorder. It definitely feels more robust than the R-09. I'll take pictures some other day comparing it to the R-09, unless someone else wants to before I get around to it.
I did a couple quick tests, one being an ADC test (will post the link here when the files are done uploading). While I don't know how to measure unity gain, I did a quick test on the gain structure. I recorded a sine wave from my iMac > recorder line-in. At the particular output level of my iMac, we get the following:
R-09 (level, peak) (reference standard at supposed unity gain level 8):
8, -24.2dB
13, -19.6 (default input gain)
R-09HR (level, peak) (default is 40):
40, -21.5dB
39, -22
38, -22.5
37, -23
36, -23.5
35, -24
34, -24.5
33, -25
I did not run further down or up to see if this "half dB per gain click" continues to hold true. According to this, levels 35 or 34 would best approximate the R-09 level 8. For my ADC test, I chose level 35.
Excellent. Thanks for the info.
Some questions:
- the HR has gain #00 to #100, right? Does it have a high/lo sens setting as well?
- the R09 has steps of 1dB, #00 to #30, while the HR has steps of 0.5dB. OK. From your measurements it looks like #10 on the R09 is approx. #40 on the HR. If this is true then #30 on the Edirol is approx #80 on the HR. OK, my question is do you get any better SNR on the HR unit? How to test? Try setting both units to high gain, eg., #30 on the R09, #80 on the HR, plug a (low noise) mic in and see which has more hiss. As a sanity check, make sure both are peaking around the same levels.
I'm anxious to know if the self noise is better on the HR, since I need (a bit) lower noise for my various omni "hat mics".
Thanks!!!
Richard
I would do that (measure SNR), but... I don't have any mics to plug in.
The R-09HR has gain settings from 0 - 80. There is a low/high mic sens. switch, but it does not affect the line-in (I ran line-in for the previous test).
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a coupon code. Type in the following secret coupon code: HR30
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Like magic, $30 will be deducted from your order! Only one coupon per customer per day."
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Version 1.04 was released a few days ago, it seems. Mine was shipped with 1.03. Perhaps I'll update tonight.
http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/dld.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=4720&iStcd=34
R-09HR System Program Version 1.04
For Product(s): R-09HR
This program is used to update the R-09HR system software to the most recent version.
Compatible with 32 GB SDHC (High Capacity) memory cards
The S/N ratio is improved during 88.2 kHz/96 kHz recording/playback
For Operating System(s): MacOSX / WindowsVista / WindowsXP
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Well, I pulled the trigger on this and while I don't have any actual true experience with the new setup, I wanted to post some thoughts and ask a question. First off, the unit appears to be very substantial in my hands- not a cheap feeling unit at all. Additionally for stealth (as all my shows are pretty much) I LOVE the remote for any seating venues- if you have some LOS to it, you can change the volume settings and even do file splits on the fly- handy from what I can tell- if as an example your rig's wiring for your mics are long enough to where you set the unit down and with the unit covered between your feet on the floor as example ( I know , like who has wires that long- but it's a thought) you can adjust while viewing from above. The downside to that is that even with the adjustments to the display, it's still way to bright on that red light even for just a couple of seconds- I HATE that. I know I will have to find some type of transparent film to put over to 'cover' that, but for now, it's a hassle.
Now the question- I have the DPA 4061's that are terminated as 1/8'th miniplug and the battery box from Core Sound (I am not endorsing Core at all FYI) but want to run my HEB mics from the battery box directly into the unit. Any thoughts? I would I believe being going MIC in (don't think line in) without any power since the battery box provides the power. Also, does anyone know the specs off hand on the DPA's to see if I could use the power provided by the unit to power the mics without the battery box? That's my question and I'm sticking by it. It will be great to get rid of my PD-AUdio once and for all once I compare the quality of this self contained unit that's very lopro vs the bulk of the PD-Audio.
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Got the R09hr today, and took it apart before I even turned it on. ;D
My camera really sucks at close ups, but here's whats inside.
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u58/jaledu/IM001744.jpg)
And I am very happy to report that the input jacks (top right)are soldiered thru the PCB and should not be a problem. :clapping:
Overall, the build quality appears to be pretty good.
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Thanks for the pics! Great news on the input jacks and quality of the build.
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Got the R09hr today, and took it apart before I even turned it on. ;D
My camera really sucks at close ups, but here's whats inside.
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u58/jaledu/IM001744.jpg)
And I am very happy to report that the input jacks (top right)are soldiered thru the PCB and should not be a problem. :clapping:
Overall, the build quality appears to be pretty good.
Excellent. Thanks for the pics.
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Got the R09hr today, and took it apart before I even turned it on. ;D
My camera really sucks at close ups, but here's whats inside.
And I am very happy to report that the input jacks (top right)are soldiered thru the PCB and should not be a problem. :clapping:
Overall, the build quality appears to be pretty good.
Wow! That's great!
Can you please tell me the main chip on this thing? I think the preamp/ADC/DAC/headphone amp are all on the same chip. Probably the one with the most pins, on the board on the upper right of the photopraph. Read off all the numbers if you can. I suspect it is the same as the R09, but I would like to confirm. Maybe they've got a newer/improved version of the chip. One can hope.
Thanks!
Richard
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Can you please tell me the main chip on this thing?
I have already reassembled it, but being I have gotten several PM's asking for the same, I will take it apart again this weekend and get all the chip numbers I can read. Should have done that the first time I had it apart.
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Can you please tell me the main chip on this thing?
I have already reassembled it, but being I have gotten several PM's asking for the same, I will take it apart again this weekend and get all the chip numbers I can read. Should have done that the first time I had it apart.
No worries. Thanks brave soul!
Richard
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Brief bit of the lovely Duffy from last night. CA11's > FEL BMA1 > R09HR, balanced (1.8db boost to left channel), sample chopped out > 320k mp3 (internet playing up, would take too long to upload flac).
https://download.yousendit.com/AA74C78816AE7711
:D
I <3 Duffy. Gorgeous voice.
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Can you please tell me the main chip on this thing?
I have already reassembled it, but being I have gotten several PM's asking for the same, I will take it apart again this weekend and get all the chip numbers I can read. Should have done that the first time I had it apart.
No worries. Thanks brave soul!
Richard
Brave soul indeed ;D
+T
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My gosh, this is a tiny lil' thing! :o And I thought my trusty Sony D-100 was petite...
Sweetwater dropped mine on my doorstep today and I'm busily getting used to it because I want to tape a show tomorrow. What does everyone do about mounting the unit on a stand in the field - is it best to go ahead and buy the Roland mic stand adapter? I usually hung my D-100 from the mic stand with a heavy loop of metallic needlepoint thread through its leatherette case, since the mics were sitting atop the stand. But the R-09HR of course has its mics built in and I will occasionally use them for quickie recordings or when I don't need the externals.
Any thoughts?
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All right here are all the chip numbers I could manage to read.(from chips that looked important anyway)
bottom board
t17a bal (8 leads)
center board top side
r1 p3 (12 leads?)
22579 k747f (4 leads?)
jeo (8 leads several of these)
2737 72f jrc (8 leads)
h157 7j (8 leads)
7k1y lv u04a (14 leads)
24576 k803f (4 leads?)
wm8776s 7batbk6 (48 leads)
eac 7y1 (24 leads)
center board bottom side
9535 0304 bug741 (24 leads)
z4052 7373 (16 leads)
lbrn n985 733 (9 leads?)
top board top side
spansion al016d70bf102 752bby07 h (cannot get lead count)
looks to be several unreadable chips under the sd socket
bottom side of top board
too much work to find out, probably not much there as all the front push buttons would be on that side.
Would love any feedback one these chip numbers...
one other thing of interest, the center board has a small watch-like battery on it, looks to be easily replaced if needed.
Jamie
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All right here are all the chip numbers I could manage to read.(from chips that looked important anyway)
bottom board
t17a bal (8 leads)
center board top side
r1 p3 (12 leads?)
22579 k747f (4 leads?)
jeo (8 leads several of these)
2737 72f jrc (8 leads)
h157 7j (8 leads)
7k1y lv u04a (14 leads)
24576 k803f (4 leads?)
wm8776s 7batbk6 (48 leads)
eac 7y1 (24 leads)
center board bottom side
9535 0304 bug741 (24 leads)
z4052 7373 (16 leads)
lbrn n985 733 (9 leads?)
top board top side
spansion al016d70bf102 752bby07 h (cannot get lead count)
looks to be several unreadable chips under the sd socket
bottom side of top board
too much work to find out, probably not much there as all the front push buttons would be on that side.
Would love any feedback one these chip numbers...
one other thing of interest, the center board has a small watch-like battery on it, looks to be easily replaced if needed.
Jamie
Great stuff, what are your disassembly instructions? :)
digifish
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All right here are all the chip numbers I could manage to read.(from chips that looked important anyway)
bottom board
t17a bal (8 leads)
center board top side
r1 p3 (12 leads?)
22579 k747f (4 leads?)
jeo (8 leads several of these)
2737 72f jrc (8 leads)
h157 7j (8 leads)
7k1y lv u04a (14 leads)
24576 k803f (4 leads?)
wm8776s 7batbk6 (48 leads)
eac 7y1 (24 leads)
center board bottom side
9535 0304 bug741 (24 leads)
z4052 7373 (16 leads)
lbrn n985 733 (9 leads?)
top board top side
spansion al016d70bf102 752bby07 h (cannot get lead count)
looks to be several unreadable chips under the sd socket
bottom side of top board
too much work to find out, probably not much there as all the front push buttons would be on that side.
Would love any feedback one these chip numbers...
one other thing of interest, the center board has a small watch-like battery on it, looks to be easily replaced if needed.
Jamie
OK, looks like a *totally new* design from the R09. Wow, I'm surprised. R09 was a single Burr Brown ADC/DAC/Mic pre/headphone amp/mp3 codec. This has: wm8776s, plain codec; jrc 2737, low voltage single supply opamp.
Definitely worth a listen to see if R09 noise floor is improved. ADC could go either way.
Richard
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All right here are all the chip numbers I could manage to read.(from chips that looked important anyway)
bottom board
t17a bal (8 leads)
center board top side
r1 p3 (12 leads?)
22579 k747f (4 leads?)
jeo (8 leads several of these)
2737 72f jrc (8 leads)
h157 7j (8 leads)
7k1y lv u04a (14 leads)
24576 k803f (4 leads?)
wm8776s 7batbk6 (48 leads)
eac 7y1 (24 leads)
center board bottom side
9535 0304 bug741 (24 leads)
z4052 7373 (16 leads)
lbrn n985 733 (9 leads?)
top board top side
spansion al016d70bf102 752bby07 h (cannot get lead count)
looks to be several unreadable chips under the sd socket
bottom side of top board
too much work to find out, probably not much there as all the front push buttons would be on that side.
Would love any feedback one these chip numbers...
one other thing of interest, the center board has a small watch-like battery on it, looks to be easily replaced if needed.
Jamie
OK, looks like a *totally new* design from the R09. Wow, I'm surprised. R09 was a single Burr Brown ADC/DAC/Mic pre/headphone amp/mp3 codec. This has: wm8776s, plain codec; jrc 2737, low voltage single supply opamp.
Definitely worth a listen to see if R09 noise floor is improved. ADC could go either way.
Richard
Richard,
Any easy way to measure noise floor? I've read you can pass a resistor across the input, but I don't have easy access to that stuff. Could I hook the unit(s) up to my CD player, with the player off, and record "silence" at different gain levels? If not entirely accurate, it could at least give relative values between the two units.
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What differences are there according to the codec datasheets? (i.e. how do the R09 and R09-HR codecs compare on paper?)
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I updated to firmware 1.04 last night with no issues. Not sure if it works any better or worse, though.
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Great stuff, what are your disassembly instructions? :)
All you need is a small phillips screwdriver.
1-- remove battery cover and batteries
2-- remove 5 screws that where concealed by the cover
note: there is 1 under where the batteries go to the right side that is easy to overlook
3-- remove the 6 screws on the sides of the unit (three on each side)
4--lift off back cover being careful to not lose the 5 plastic pieces that go onto the slide switches
5--Unplug the ribbon cable that goes from the first board to the small board up at the microphones.
my picture shows it unplugged on the microphone side, but it easier to reassemble if you unplug it from the other end
6-- Lift off the microphone assembly
7-- remove 4 screws on top board and lift off (it is plugged into the next board)
8-- Unplug the small leads coming from the batteries.
9-- Remove the four screws in the plastic frame that is over the next board (to are silver and two are recessed and black)
10--Lift off the next board. (it is also plugged into the board below it.) Be careful to not lose the three side button pieces that will now be loose)
to assemble do the reverse
I did not disassemble the board at the microphones or did I remove the bottom board and the LCD display.
If you are not good at taking things apart and putting them back together, I do not recommend trying this. And the circuit boards should be handled in a way that they will not be damaged by Electrostatic Discharge.
Overall this unit comes apart and goes together better than the r09 as there is no glue-strips holding the covers on.
Have fun!
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Richard,
Any easy way to measure noise floor? I've read you can pass a resistor across the input, but I don't have easy access to that stuff. Could I hook the unit(s) up to my CD player, with the player off, and record "silence" at different gain levels? If not entirely accurate, it could at least give relative values between the two units.
Thanks for the offer to help!
Do you have a set of mics with a miniplug (or just a Sony "T" mic or anything)?
If so, plug this into the Edirol and record something quiet like a clock ticking.
Do this with both the Edirol R09 and the HR. Then compare.
Now, I'm guessing you have just the HR, right? OK, maybe someone out there with both units can do it.
Richard
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Richard,
Any easy way to measure noise floor? I've read you can pass a resistor across the input, but I don't have easy access to that stuff. Could I hook the unit(s) up to my CD player, with the player off, and record "silence" at different gain levels? If not entirely accurate, it could at least give relative values between the two units.
Thanks for the offer to help!
Do you have a set of mics with a miniplug (or just a Sony "T" mic or anything)?
If so, plug this into the Edirol and record something quiet like a clock ticking.
Do this with both the Edirol R09 and the HR. Then compare.
Now, I'm guessing you have just the HR, right? OK, maybe someone out there with both units can do it.
Richard
I have both units right now, but no mics. Personally, I'm only interested in the line-in specs, as I'm just a SBD patcher now.
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Richard,
Any easy way to measure noise floor? I've read you can pass a resistor across the input, but I don't have easy access to that stuff. Could I hook the unit(s) up to my CD player, with the player off, and record "silence" at different gain levels? If not entirely accurate, it could at least give relative values between the two units.
Thanks for the offer to help!
Do you have a set of mics with a miniplug (or just a Sony "T" mic or anything)?
If so, plug this into the Edirol and record something quiet like a clock ticking.
Do this with both the Edirol R09 and the HR. Then compare.
Now, I'm guessing you have just the HR, right? OK, maybe someone out there with both units can do it.
Richard
I have both units right now, but no mics. Personally, I'm only interested in the line-in specs, as I'm just a SBD patcher now.
I think for line in, there are really no issues. The SNR of the R09 (measured by me) is approx 90dB, ie., 15 bits, which is excellent for a consumer device. All this talk about 24 bits, but there is really no way anything else in a sound reinforcement situation is going to have any more SNR. The HR could be a bit better. But really 90dB is plenty. Where you run into trouble is when using some gain on the mic pre. "Hot" mics will drive this thing nicely, but the problem comes with lower output mics and/or quieter sounds. Right now I use MD for these, but it would be great to have the convenience (flash memory, etc) of the Edirol if I could get good low noise performance.
Anyway, if anyone out there can do a mic in comparison, or put resistors on the inputs, that would be great.
Thanks!
Richard
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Great stuff, what are your disassembly instructions? :)
All you need is a small phillips screwdriver.
1-- remove battery cover and batteries
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10--Lift off the next board. (it is also plugged into the board below it.) Be careful to not lose the three side button pieces that will now be loose)
+T Thanks for that, looks a little less dangerous to open than the R09 :)
I am waiting for mine to arrive...screwdriver at the ready ;)
digifish
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All right here are all the chip numbers I could manage to read.(from chips that looked important anyway)
bottom board
t17a bal (8 leads)
center board top side
r1 p3 (12 leads?)
22579 k747f (4 leads?)
jeo (8 leads several of these)
2737 72f jrc (8 leads)
h157 7j (8 leads)
7k1y lv u04a (14 leads)
24576 k803f (4 leads?)
wm8776s 7batbk6 (48 leads)
eac 7y1 (24 leads)
center board bottom side
9535 0304 bug741 (24 leads)
z4052 7373 (16 leads)
lbrn n985 733 (9 leads?)
top board top side
spansion al016d70bf102 752bby07 h (cannot get lead count)
looks to be several unreadable chips under the sd socket
bottom side of top board
too much work to find out, probably not much there as all the front push buttons would be on that side.
Would love any feedback one these chip numbers...
one other thing of interest, the center board has a small watch-like battery on it, looks to be easily replaced if needed.
Jamie
Not sure if this was covered earlier but the other more inportant thing that Jamie missed in his report is the build quality of the input jacks has been improved. In our discussion of this unit he informed me that the input jacks are now soldered to the board which is great news. Should do away with the input failures experienced on the initial models.
T+ Jamie for the report.......
Peace OOK
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Not sure if this was covered earlier but the other more inportant thing that Jamie missed in his report is the build quality of the input jacks has been improved. In our discussion of this unit he informed me that the input jacks are now soldered to the board which is great news. Should do away with the input failures experienced on the initial models.
T+ Jamie for the report.......
Peace OOK
The problem with the R-09 jacks were that they were ONLY soldered to the board. No other mechanical connection (or flexible lead for disconnection).
The first thing I looked for in the fuzzy pics of the HR insides was if the jacks had locating pin in the open holes beneath them through the circuit board. They don't appear to which is bad. But, it does look like instead of being soldered to surface pads on the face of the board, The jacks may have leads that go through pass-though's on the board forming a mechanical connection like the locating pins would have done, maybe better. That would be an improvement. Can you confirm this?
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Edirol's description of the R-09HR includes this description of the new analog to digital circuitry:
"I.A.R.C. (Isolated Adaptive Recording Circuit) is a newly developed, dedicated analog circuit optimized for recording with the R-09HR's onboard A/D converter. Electrolytic capacitors provide stable, reliable power with an independent power source for the analog circuitry, and another power source for the digital circuit board, thus eliminating DC interference between components in the R-09HR."
From Jamie's photos, can anyone tell how separated the digital and analog circuitry is? Sony uses a separate circuit board for analog in the D-50 and D-1.
Flintstone
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^^^
The R-09 had the same IRAC speil on the box.
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The problem with the R-09 jacks were that they were ONLY soldered to the board. No other mechanical connection (or flexible lead for disconnection).
The first thing I looked for in the fuzzy pics of the HR insides was if the jacks had locating pin in the open holes beneath them through the circuit board. They don't appear to which is bad. But, it does look like instead of being soldered to surface pads on the face of the board, The jacks may have leads that go through pass-though's on the board forming a mechanical connection like the locating pins would have done, maybe better. That would be an improvement. Can you confirm this?
All of the leads for all of the jacks, pass thru the board and are soldiered(with good size soldier joints), I really don't see there being a problem with them breaking anymore.
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Great.
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these are all recorded with the r09hr
www.myspace.com/theseears
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Battery life test:
Last night I let the R-09HR record with the internal mics @ 24/48, default backlight brightness, remote off, regular use of the record LED. I was using 2500mAh Energizer rechargeable batteries. I nearly filled my 8GB SDHC card. I ended up with files of:
2:04:12
2:04:12
2:04:12
0:43:41
For a total recording time of 6:56:17. That's enough for me!
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Battery life test:
Last night I let the R-09HR record with the internal mics @ 24/48, default backlight brightness, remote off, regular use of the record LED. I was using 2500mAh Energizer rechargeable batteries. I nearly filled my 8GB SDHC card. I ended up with files of:
2:04:12
2:04:12
2:04:12
0:43:41
For a total recording time of 6:56:17. That's enough for me!
Does it automatically save the last file before shutting down?
Richard
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Battery life test:
Last night I let the R-09HR record with the internal mics @ 24/48, default backlight brightness, remote off, regular use of the record LED. I was using 2500mAh Energizer rechargeable batteries. I nearly filled my 8GB SDHC card. I ended up with files of:
2:04:12
2:04:12
2:04:12
0:43:41
For a total recording time of 6:56:17. That's enough for me!
Does it automatically save the last file before shutting down?
Richard
Yup.
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used mine in the field today, and perfect auto split.
the bummer was that the wind picked up during the show and the wind-screens were int he car, great weather forcasting :(
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HI, Not sure if any of you are subjected to "No electronics devices of any kind" pronouncements, but one venue I frequent in LA more often then not (because the artist just loves it) but with my new device, if they see ANY device on (cell, PDA, or whatever) they will outright snatch it out of your hands- I know this from experience ;-). That said, even with display settings, unless you start the recorder ahead of time, there are times when you want to check the settings. What I did was use a belt clip case that I had for my Creative Zen (which as a mechanical hard drive went south) and cut-out the back of it where the top portion of the display shows your volume, and punched a hole by the bottom for where the 'red' light shines for recording and standby mode. Still in a very dark theater like the one I'm referring to, any light brings attention when NO ONE else has anything on. I was going to go out and pick up some colored transparency material to mask the brightness and after reading in the thread how pricey it is rummaged around in my drawer and found one of the old 3-d masks for watching films that had blue on one side and red. I didn't want to use electrical tape (like on the red light coming off the top of unit) as I can see some huge advantages for having the unit safely tucked away and using the remote to control the settings (like input volume and splitting in between songs) so I take the blue and tuck it over the infared receiver and stick the red over the display which is seen through a cutout I made in the leather holster for my unit. Not sure if anyone had run into this issue, but in a venue where they're not strict on checking what your bringing it, but extreme on any device that illuminate, this is what I came up with. Last night I 'field tested' it and it really helps. I taped the red portion over the display screen showing the levels and it really keeps the illumination way down. Additionally, by using the dark blue transparency one over the recording light and the infared (both "beam me up scotty" RED") and they were almost invisible. While used black electrical tape on my prior rig for any lights emitted, I wouldn't use it on the R-09HR- I really like the manual splitting feature as well as being able to adjust my levels on the fly with the remote since it's much less obvious to anyone around you what your doing when it's done by remote.
Surf1div1
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Finally got my R09Hr today ;D & now this newbie needs some SD memory card advice. What should I use? can anyone suggest some reliable brands & good places to buy them? I'm thinking about going with some 16 gig cards & it would be nice to know what experienced users prefer.
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Finally got my R09Hr today ;D & now this newbie needs some SD memory card advice. What should I use? can anyone suggest some reliable brands & good places to buy them? I'm thinking about going with some 16 gig cards & it would be nice to know what experienced users prefer.
I always use Sandisk or Kingston cards. :)
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I'm stupid enough to think that because Panasonic charge an arm and leg for their cards, therefore they must be good! But I've certainly had no problems with them.
However, the fact that they supply them for and with their high def camcorders would seem to imply they have confidence in their performance and reliability, as the camcorder would be no good if the card used was no good.
In AVCHD video use, a 4Gb card fills in about 40 mins, by the way, if that gives some kind of performance guide vs audio requirements.
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At 24/96, my HR works out at 1:06 (or there and thereabouts) for a 2gig file, if that helps.
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Finally got my R09Hr today ;D & now this newbie needs some SD memory card advice. What should I use? can anyone suggest some reliable brands & good places to buy them? I'm thinking about going with some 16 gig cards & it would be nice to know what experienced users prefer.
I find the "genuine" Toshiba 8GB cards are excellent. Never had one fail. Watch out for cheap imitations on eBay...
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Finally got my R09Hr today ;D & now this newbie needs some SD memory card advice. What should I use? can anyone suggest some reliable brands & good places to buy them? I'm thinking about going with some 16 gig cards & it would be nice to know what experienced users prefer.
I always use Sandisk or Kingston cards. :)
I always use Kingston.
:) :)
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Thought I'd post a status message... I used my R-09HR Wednesday to tape a live show and have had a chance to transfer and work with the audio.
1) I started out with the gain WAY too low (external battery box mics, no chance to sound check) and had to bring it up quickly during the first song. I'm pleased to note that the sound was unaffected by recording at a low level and boosting it in a sound editor later; and any internal noise was below the noise floor of the venue. I was using 24/48 so the extra bits helped.
2) Memory was a Patriot 8GB card, rated at class 6, and it was fine. Unfortunately, the show wasn't long enough to test the auto-split feature (which I had left set to 2GB).
3) The reviewers aren't kidding when they say it's hard to see the display in daylight. With brightness cranked and some shading of the display, it was just visible enough to adjust levels. When power save kicks in, no way. The only way I was able to see to adjust levels was to play with the output volume so the display would brighten; I was afraid to use the other controls without advance experimentation... I hate to turn off power save because of the increased current draw and of course the OLED lifetime issues. Hopefully it'll be better inside or in deep shade.
4) The day I got the unit I had an opportunity to record a show with no advance notice, so I trusted the internal mics and winged it. They did a decent job, and I was satisfied with the results; again, I guessed the levels so they were initially very low but had no issues with the resultant recording.
5) This unit really needs some kind of anchor to allow you to secure it in the field. I used the loop on the back to hang it on the mic stand and wrapped a velcro strip around the case/support to keep it from moving and it worked OK, but was a bit unprofessional. Definitely cheaper than the optional case, though!
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First show in ages that I've upped as flacs...
Ida Maria @ Kings College London, 2008-06-02.
Went CA11's > Mic in on the HR at 24/96. Upped at 16/44.1 though for the sake of my dodgy internet connection.
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105434.0.html
Enjoy.
;D
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Has anyone recorded ninja style with binaural mics yet? If so, how is the noise?
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Here's a recording I pulled last night of The Tubes in Texas: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=201168
Utilized line-in 24/96 w/ AT943 Cards and CA STC-9000. Same exact spot I recorded John Waite last month. A far superior recording to my ears and the file split at 2GB was seamless too. I love the HR so far...
David
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Here's a recording I pulled last night of The Tubes in Texas: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=201168
Utilized line-in 24/96 w/ AT943 Cards and CA STC-9000. Same exact spot I recorded John Waite last month. A far superior recording to my ears and the file split at 2GB was seamless too. I love the HR so far...
David
Hi, thanks for sharing that link. I got my Edirol R-09HR a few weeks ago, and am going to tape with it for the time this Saturday. I am most concerned about battery power in 24/96 mode. Do you remember how much battery power was left after the show was over?
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Here's a recording I pulled last night of The Tubes in Texas: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=201168
Utilized line-in 24/96 w/ AT943 Cards and CA STC-9000. Same exact spot I recorded John Waite last month. A far superior recording to my ears and the file split at 2GB was seamless too. I love the HR so far...
David
Hi, thanks for sharing that link. I got my Edirol R-09HR a few weeks ago, and am going to tape with it for the time this Saturday. I am most concerned about battery power in 24/96 mode. Do you remember how much battery power was left after the show was over?
I don't imagine your battery life would vary depending upon what mode you're running in.
I think you're going to get the same battery life running at 24/96 as you would running at 24/48 or 16/44.
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Here's a recording I pulled last night of The Tubes in Texas: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=201168
Utilized line-in 24/96 w/ AT943 Cards and CA STC-9000. Same exact spot I recorded John Waite last month. A far superior recording to my ears and the file split at 2GB was seamless too. I love the HR so far...
David
Hi, thanks for sharing that link. I got my Edirol R-09HR a few weeks ago, and am going to tape with it for the time this Saturday. I am most concerned about battery power in 24/96 mode. Do you remember how much battery power was left after the show was over?
I don't imagine your battery life would vary depending upon what mode you're running in.
I think you're going to get the same battery life running at 24/96 as you would running at 24/48 or 16/44.
The higher the sample rate/bit depth the more the recorder has to write to the flash card so shorter the battery life I'd expect. I doubt writing to the flash card is the biggest draw, but it probably impacts battery life.
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Here's a recording I pulled last night of The Tubes in Texas: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=201168
Utilized line-in 24/96 w/ AT943 Cards and CA STC-9000. Same exact spot I recorded John Waite last month. A far superior recording to my ears and the file split at 2GB was seamless too. I love the HR so far...
David
Hi, thanks for sharing that link. I got my Edirol R-09HR a few weeks ago, and am going to tape with it for the time this Saturday. I am most concerned about battery power in 24/96 mode. Do you remember how much battery power was left after the show was over?
I don't imagine your battery life would vary depending upon what mode you're running in.
I think you're going to get the same battery life running at 24/96 as you would running at 24/48 or 16/44.
The higher the sample rate/bit depth the more the recorder has to write to the flash card so shorter the battery life I'd expect. I doubt writing to the flash card is the biggest draw, but it probably impacts battery life.
I was hoping someone would correct me . . . if'n I was wrong. ;)
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recorded a 2 hour set (yazoo) on my HR set at 24/96 and hardly marked the battery display at all. Fresh batteries for that show of course
Word of warning though, used a HCSD 4GB Card and kept getting an error message saying 'card is running slow'
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Here's a recording I pulled last night of The Tubes in Texas: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=201168
Utilized line-in 24/96 w/ AT943 Cards and CA STC-9000. Same exact spot I recorded John Waite last month. A far superior recording to my ears and the file split at 2GB was seamless too. I love the HR so far...
David
Hi, thanks for sharing that link. I got my Edirol R-09HR a few weeks ago, and am going to tape with it for the time this Saturday. I am most concerned about battery power in 24/96 mode. Do you remember how much battery power was left after the show was over?
Sorry for the delayed response. Battery level was still showing full on 2x 2700 Sanyos after show was over. It didn't even start to go down until I got home and started uploading. That's after I listened to the show on the ride home. It seems to be comparable to the old R-09. Also used a Toshiba 8GB class 4 SDHC card with no "slow read" errors whatsoever...
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I got an R09HR today and when playing around with it, I noticed when you adjust the recording level up or down there is a loud click on the recording for every step up or down. Did the R09 do this too or is it just this model (or my specific unit)?
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When using internal mics or not? Could simply be the audible sound of the control.
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I got an R09HR today and when playing around with it, I noticed when you adjust the recording level up or down there is a loud click on the recording for every step up or down. Did the R09 do this too or is it just this model (or my specific unit)?
Yes the R09 introduced 'step' sounds when you adjust the gain on the fly, not 'loud' clicks, just soft ones. I thought I read that the HR didn't do this? Not surprising that it does...someone will be along in a moment with the correct answer for the HR. OZPeters question is a good one, not mechanical is it :)
digifish
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When using internal mics or not? Could simply be the audible sound of the control.
Either way ( at least in my experience with the R-09, don't know about the R09HR). ;)
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When using internal mics or not? Could simply be the audible sound of the control.
It actually did it with external or internal mics, but I discovered it only did that when the limiter/agc switch was on. Since I don't plan on using that I guess it's of no consequence.
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Here's a recording I pulled last night of The Tubes in Texas: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=201168
Utilized line-in 24/96 w/ AT943 Cards and CA STC-9000. Same exact spot I recorded John Waite last month. A far superior recording to my ears and the file split at 2GB was seamless too. I love the HR so far...
David
Hi, thanks for sharing that link. I got my Edirol R-09HR a few weeks ago, and am going to tape with it for the time this Saturday. I am most concerned about battery power in 24/96 mode. Do you remember how much battery power was left after the show was over?
Sorry for the delayed response. Battery level was still showing full on 2x 2700 Sanyos after show was over. It didn't even start to go down until I got home and started uploading. That's after I listened to the show on the ride home. It seems to be comparable to the old R-09. Also used a Toshiba 8GB class 4 SDHC card with no "slow read" errors whatsoever...
Excellent, thank you. :) +
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Well, if anyone is curious, I taped a 3 hour show last night and had absolutely no problems with battery power. In fact, I taped the show, listened to it for an hour in the car ride home, and the battery indicator is still on full as I type this. I am amazed. 24/96 the whole time writing to an 8gb, Class 6 Transcend card. Duracell HR6 2650mAh batteries. This was a good investment.
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I finally had a chance to use my r09hr for recording shows on Fri & Sat night. Both shows I ran Schoeps> NBox+> r09hr (line-in). Fri night, no problems running 24/96 on a PNY 16GB SD card. The card already had 5GB of mp3's and some random 24/48 recordings I did from the built-in mics. On Sat, using the same card without deleting anything off it, I had about 5 GB free. Upon trying to record 24/96, I received a "slow card" error. I switched to 24/48 and it recorded fine without any errors. I would estimate I got about 5 hrs from a fresh set of Energizer alkaline's.
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What have people been using for levels on the deck? Anyone seeing any issues like with the R09 and having to run the "unity setting of 8"?
I have run mine once, but I had wind issues which makes it a poor test :(
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i tried to record thunder today but my input levels were set to high and it clipped hardcore.
then by the time i lowered the input level, there wasn't as big a bang from the storm. damn it.
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What have people been using for levels on the deck? Anyone seeing any issues like with the R09 and having to run the "unity setting of 8"?
I have run mine once, but I had wind issues which makes it a poor test :(
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,100541.msg1400415.html#msg1400415
Hope that helps ;)
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What have people been using for levels on the deck? Anyone seeing any issues like with the R09 and having to run the "unity setting of 8"?
I have run mine once, but I had wind issues which makes it a poor test :(
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,100541.msg1400415.html#msg1400415
Hope that helps ;)
And please keep in mind that my test was only to see what R-09HR level approximated the level 8 setting of the R-09. I did not measure anything more specific to determine "unity gain" or anything like that.
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New thread: http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105893.0.html
Mods - please lock this one, as it appears the OP has been inactive for nearly a month.