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Offline phil_fernandez

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Cards or Omnis?
« on: March 05, 2008, 12:25:04 PM »
So I've got 12th row center seats at the Palace in Albany for moe. on Friday night.  I'm leaning towards using the omni caps on my CA11s.  Anyone have any thoughts on this?  Thanks!

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Re: Cards or Omnis?
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2008, 12:46:33 PM »
cards, you don't want all the crowd on your tape do you?
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Re: Cards or Omnis?
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2008, 03:02:29 PM »
The crowd noise issue crossed my mind, but I still was thinking the omnis would be better due to being up close.  Glad I asked.

Thanks for responding!
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Re: Cards or Omnis?
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2008, 04:28:39 PM »
I would run cards
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Re: Cards or Omnis?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 04:31:29 PM »
Running on a stand or on your person?


If on your person...
I'll play omni-advocate and say, run the omnis HRTF. 
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Re: Cards or Omnis?
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2008, 05:12:44 PM »
Omni's

when you are that close the stage and pa volume will easily overwhelm the crowd noise. You can run omni's in far more circumstances than people realize.

besides which, it's moe. - there will be plenty of other nice and safe card tapes to enjoy later. With omni's that close you have a chance to make a different tape that could very well be a GREAT tape.

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Re: Cards or Omnis?
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2008, 07:32:57 PM »
Quote from: phil_fernandez on March 05, 2008, 12:25:04 PM
So I've got 12th row center seats at the Palace in Albany for moe. on Friday night.  I'm leaning towards using the omni caps on my CA11s.  Anyone have any thoughts on this?  Thanks!

Phil

Here are my thoughts. On this subject.

When your in a good sounding room and you are close to the sound source use omni mics. When your far away from the sound source use cardioid mics. I think for stage taping for example I would use a pair of spaced omni mics or omni mics with some kind of baffle * your head * or a jecklin disk * When you are close to the source, the crowd noise is not as much of an issue because the direct energy from the band/pa out overpowers the sound from the crowd around you. So you end up with a pretty clean tape. There are always exceptions to any rule though.

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Re: Cards or Omnis?
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2008, 07:37:51 PM »
Quote from: svenkid on March 05, 2008, 12:46:33 PM
cards, you don't want all the crowd on your tape do you?

that's right. Because we all know cards never pick up crowd ::) ;)


Edit: run the omnis
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Re: Cards or Omnis?
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2008, 07:56:35 PM »
I would run cards.

maybe up to 5 th row run omni's.  Just my personal experience.  I run omni's up to 5th row even at 40,000 person concert.  I tend to run cards for everything else.  Even for recent Van Halen i ran cards from 12th row for 2 nights.  I just dont even like the crowd noise in between songs with omni's unless I am really close--just a personal thing
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Re: Cards or Omnis?
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2008, 07:57:33 PM »
Cards would be best. Given you run them properly.
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Re: Cards or Omnis?
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2008, 09:21:29 PM »
So it looks like the omnis will be the choice.  I will be using a stand and have a couple different mounts.  For those of you who suggested using cards, which method would be best?  My inclination would be ORTF.

Thanks again for all the guidance.  Thanks also to Chris Church for some nice gear.
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Re: Cards or Omnis?
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2008, 10:06:32 PM »
Quote from: setboy on March 05, 2008, 07:37:51 PM
Quote from: svenkid on March 05, 2008, 12:46:33 PM
cards, you don't want all the crowd on your tape do you?

that's right. Because we all know cards never pick up crowd ::) ;)


Edit: run the omnis

The answer is:  "it depends".

Hear my cards 12-15 ft from the stage, pointing right at the PA speakers, 10 ft up, front of the board, with a "lip" to deflect what is behind me:

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,100075.0.html

A lot of chatter...

I guess I need shotguns for that venue  ;)

--Michael
« Last Edit: March 05, 2008, 10:14:51 PM by mblindsey »
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Re: Cards or Omnis?
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2008, 10:25:22 PM »
Quote from: mblindsey on March 05, 2008, 10:06:32 PM
The answer is:  "it depends".

Hear my cards 12-15 ft from the stage, pointing right at the PA speakers, 10 ft up, front of the board, with a "lip" to deflect what is behind me:

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,100075.0.html

A lot of chatter...

I guess I need shotguns for that venue  ;)

--Michael

taping a band in a bar with the requisite sized PA is different than taping moe. with a substantial PA in a theater
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Re: Cards or Omnis?
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2008, 10:35:37 PM »
Quote from: Tim on March 05, 2008, 10:25:22 PM
Quote from: mblindsey on March 05, 2008, 10:06:32 PM
The answer is:  "it depends".

Hear my cards 12-15 ft from the stage, pointing right at the PA speakers, 10 ft up, front of the board, with a "lip" to deflect what is behind me:

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,100075.0.html

A lot of chatter...

I guess I need shotguns for that venue  ;)

--Michael

taping a band in a bar with the requisite sized PA is different than taping moe. with a substantial PA in a theater


what he said. and i have made some pertty chatty shotgun tapes before
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Re: Cards or Omnis?
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2008, 10:38:51 PM »
Quote from: Tim on March 05, 2008, 10:25:22 PM
Quote from: mblindsey on March 05, 2008, 10:06:32 PM
The answer is:  "it depends".

Hear my cards 12-15 ft from the stage, pointing right at the PA speakers, 10 ft up, front of the board, with a "lip" to deflect what is behind me:

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,100075.0.html

A lot of chatter...

I guess I need shotguns for that venue  ;)

--Michael

taping a band in a bar with the requisite sized PA is different than taping moe. with a substantial PA in a theater

Agreed.  Touche +T
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