Topic: Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO

[su6oxone]

Well my Edirol HR failed me with the mic jack problem common to the previous model. I had static and 2-3 second dropouts. It depressed me after all the work involved, not to mention a recording that is almost impossible to fix. I'm going to have to send it in for repair which will take 3 weeks. When I get it back I'm going to use the hot glue method that was mentioned earlier. I wish they would beef up the jacks to be able to take normal wear and tear.

That's very disappointing to hear.  +T for your troubles.  Hopefully this won't be a (relatively) common problem with the R-09HR like on the R-09, but it's not terribly surprising considering the only change really is some more glue or epoxy, and not mechanical  attachment of the jack to the board. 

[digifish_music]

Well my Edirol HR failed me with the mic jack problem common to the previous model. I had static and 2-3 second dropouts. It depressed me after all the work involved, not to mention a recording that is almost impossible to fix. I'm going to have to send it in for repair which will take 3 weeks. When I get it back I'm going to use the hot glue method that was mentioned earlier. I wish they would beef up the jacks to be able to take normal wear and tear.

That's very disappointing to hear.  +T for your troubles.  Hopefully this won't be a (relatively) common problem with the R-09HR like on the R-09, but it's not terribly surprising considering the only change really is some more glue or epoxy, and not mechanical  attachment of the jack to the board. 

I thought guysonic's pics show a very solid mechanical solution, the jack pins penetrate the board and are bent once through, then soldered...





...I wonder how much torque was applied to the jack that broke?

[Dede2002]

Well my Edirol HR failed me with the mic jack problem common to the previous model. I had static and 2-3 second dropouts. It depressed me after all the work involved, not to mention a recording that is almost impossible to fix. I'm going to have to send it in for repair which will take 3 weeks. When I get it back I'm going to use the hot glue method that was mentioned earlier. I wish they would beef up the jacks to be able to take normal wear and tear.

That's very disappointing to hear.  +T for your troubles.  Hopefully this won't be a (relatively) common problem with the R-09HR like on the R-09, but it's not terribly surprising considering the only change really is some more glue or epoxy, and not mechanical  attachment of the jack to the board. 

I thought guysonic's pics show a very solid mechanical solution, the jack pins penetrate the board and are bent once through, then soldered...
...I wonder how much torque was applied to the jack that broke?

That's right. It's not just glue or epoxy on the new model.
Anyway, sorry to hear that. +T for your problems.

[su6oxone]

I thought guysonic's pics show a very solid mechanical solution, the jack pins penetrate the board and are bent once through, then soldered...

...I wonder how much torque was applied to the jack that broke?

Ah... thanks for the correction!  +T.  I falsely remembered someone saying that there was just more glue or epoxy but no solid mechanical connections on the input jacks.  Good to hear that I was wrong about that, will definitely pick up a R-09HR if/when my input jacks fail on my R-09.

[gmm6797]

I am getting about 7 hours with my sanyo 2700 rechargeables.

I got 7 hours and 7+ hours on 2 tests with Energizer 2700's from WalMart... 4 for 9.99... best deal going, as you should get about 2 years of used on the set of 4, even with taping a lot of shows... that is how long a set of 4 that I rotated in and out of the R09 got me... I am guessing way more than 150 shows

[Arni99]

I am getting about 7 hours with my sanyo 2700 rechargeables.

I got 7 hours and 7+ hours on 2 tests with Energizer 2700's from WalMart... 4 for 9.99... best deal going, as you should get about 2 years of used on the set of 4, even with taping a lot of shows... that is how long a set of 4 that I rotated in and out of the R09 got me... I am guessing way more than 150 shows

Thx for this info.
I use Duracell 2650mAh and never get more than 4h15min on my R09-HR.

Well, nevertheless 4 of these rechargeables make 8h-8h30min and I wont be taping more than 8 hours a day anyway.

[digifish_music]

I use Duracell 2650mAh and never get more than 4h15min on my R09-HR.

Well, nevertheless 4 of these rechargeables make 8h-8h30min and I wont be taping more than 8 hours a day anyway.

+T

I was using Energizer 2500 mAh and changed to these Duracell 2650 mAh's early this year, there is no contest that these are a better battery than the Energizer. I am in the process of converting my whole collection to these (all 24 of them...slowly ). While I know there are a lot of great AA rechargeable around, the Duracell's are easy to find (at my local supermarket).

digifish

[JM Charcot]

Digifish's test results show very clearly the low level of self-noise of the
R-09HR's built-in preamp when used with good external mics.

...

Flintstone

I'd agree with that. The internal pres do a very good job (from a hiss/noise perspective they are at first impression similar to the R44, something to find out). Remember that the ticking-clock test is a tough and revealing comparison. I am confident that for recording most bands, that you would not need anything more than an R09HR + Phantom-box + nice mics.

I will be making some field recordings of things at various levels over the next week or so. As I have an R09, R09HR, R44. All have internal mics so...

R09 - internal mics / external mics + internal Pres / external + MixPre

R09HR - internal mics / external mics + internal Pres / external + MixPre

R44 - internal mics / external mics + internal Pres / external + MixPre

...would seem to be in line for direct comparison.

digifish

I'd be glad to hear.

Especially the internal mics for field recordings, as you said they were quite OK.. 

[digifish_music]

Digifish's test results show very clearly the low level of self-noise of the
R-09HR's built-in preamp when used with good external mics.

...

Flintstone

I'd agree with that. The internal pres do a very good job (from a hiss/noise perspective they are at first impression similar to the R44, something to find out). Remember that the ticking-clock test is a tough and revealing comparison. I am confident that for recording most bands, that you would not need anything more than an R09HR + Phantom-box + nice mics.

I will be making some field recordings of things at various levels over the next week or so. As I have an R09, R09HR, R44. All have internal mics so...

R09 - internal mics / external mics + internal Pres / external + MixPre

R09HR - internal mics / external mics + internal Pres / external + MixPre

R44 - internal mics / external mics + internal Pres / external + MixPre

...would seem to be in line for direct comparison.

digifish

I'd be glad to hear.

Especially the internal mics for field recordings, as you said they were quite OK.. 

So long as the source is loud enough the R09HR internals do a respectable job...I have this one up at Freesound, that I was pleasantly surprised...

http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=57857

You will need to create an account to download the file (and why not ) the online preview is quite compressed. It was raining all weekend, so I didn't get a chance to do any field recording, still high on my 'to do' list.

digifish

[Dede2002]

I gave up the rechargeables for good. Back to Duracell.

[digifish_music]

I gave up the rechargeables for good. Back to Duracell.

Why?

digifish

[Dede2002]

I gave up the rechargeables for good. Back to Duracell.

Why?

digifish

Why not? 

[digifish_music]

I gave up the rechargeables for good. Back to Duracell.

Why?

digifish

Why not? 

The conservative life expectancy of a AA nimh battery in the hands of the average consumer is about 250 charge cycles. That means you will save, at least ((250 x $Cost-of-disposables) -  (Cost-of-NiMH + Charger)). That works out to (a worst case scenario of) saving ~ $220 (per battery). 4 batteries is ~$650.

digifish
   

[Dede2002]

I gave up the rechargeables for good. Back to Duracell.

Why?

digifish

Why not? 

The conservative life expectancy of a AA nimh battery in the hands of the average consumer is about 250 charge cycles. That means you will save, at least ((250 x $Cost-of-disposables) -  (Cost-of-NiMH + Charger)). That works out to (a worst case scenario of) saving ~ $220 (per battery). 4 batteries is ~$650.

digifish
   

You're probably right. Maybe it's a mojo thing. I don't like/trust them rechargeables.

[udovdh]

You're probably right. Maybe it's a mojo thing. I don't like/trust them rechargeables.

We're not in the NiCd age anymore. We have NiMH, Li-Ion, etc.
Does you ipod run on unrechargable AA's?

When it saves both the environment and cash and works well...