Best line in recorder?

[Church-Audio]

Here is a test I completed today of the R09HR Its very VERY quiet not quite as quiet as my 9100 but its not far off. BTW its got just about the same signal to noise at 16 bit that the D50 has at 24
All of these tests were done at 44.1k 16bit

Chris

[digifish_music]

Here is a test I completed today of the R09HR Its very VERY quiet not quite as quiet as my 9100 but its not far off. BTW its got just about the same signal to noise at 16 bit that the D50 has at 24
All of these tests were done at 44.1k 16bit

Chris

*Almost* very interesting...if only I knew what I was looking at (all those plots)

...these are all mic-in measures? What's line-in like?

digifish 

[markr041]

" I am very happy with my LS-10 - and Olympus have released upgraded firmware is the last couple of weeks for it.."

Does anyone know what the upgrade to the LS-10 firmware 1.10a fixes, improves or adds? There is nothing on the site.

[Sunday Driver]

For those saying the R-09HR , why would you vote for the R-09HR over the PCM-D50?

Smaller size for me was the number one reason. Why have big mics on top of the recorder if I was never going to use them? However, after you listen to a lot of these recorders, it becomes obvious that each internal preamp has its own "flavor". I own the Edirol R-09HR, don't use an external preamp, and grew to really love the sound of the internal preamp. It has a very relaxed bass sound, and a clear high end. In the few recordings I heard of the D-50, I thought it sounded very plain with not as much coloring. Owning the R-09HR, I might be a little biased though.

[spyder9]

I dig the Tascam DR-1.  Line-in is real quiet.  Much more so than the original Edirol R09, that I ditched the R09.  However, the Line-in is fixed, no adjustments. 

[Dede2002]

Here is a test I completed today of the R09HR Its very VERY quiet not quite as quiet as my 9100 but its not far off. BTW its got just about the same signal to noise at 16 bit that the D50 has at 24
All of these tests were done at 44.1k 16bit

Chris

Thanks for that, Chris 

[Church-Audio]

Here is a test I completed today of the R09HR Its very VERY quiet not quite as quiet as my 9100 but its not far off. BTW its got just about the same signal to noise at 16 bit that the D50 has at 24
All of these tests were done at 44.1k 16bit

Chris

*Almost* very interesting...if only I knew what I was looking at (all those plots)

...these are all mic-in measures? What's line-in like?

digifish 

You dont need to read the lines just the grey part that has the numbers These are all mic in measurements I will do line-in sometime this week.  The first graphs show the Edirol R09HR With the mic switch on hi and then I do incremental gain settings on the HR starting at 80 or MAX. What I did was record 20 seconds exactly of each  setting and then analyze the wav file in my software. So your not getting a transfer function error of my sound card. Your getting the actual noise of the wav file it self as recorded on the HR. I terminated the HR with a pair of 2.4K resistors and I also had the plug in power on for all tests. Bass roll off was OFF as was the limiter.

Chris

[sunjan]

" I am very happy with my LS-10

Mark, John: I'm sure that there are many happy LS-10 users out there.
But nothing that you wrote addresses the major issue for the OP: the line in requires a very loud signal. Sure, if you feed it with a line signal from your cassette deck, no biggie. But a 9V preamp in the field is a totally different story.

Read the OP again, and the links to Chris' and Guysonic's evaluation. LS-10 is not the best line in recorder for unamplified soft acoustic music.

[sunjan]

Does anyone have the link for the size comparisons of the various recorders? There were a couple posted here on the forum but after searching again I can't find them. Really helps to give a visual image of the 3D volume of these things.

http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/20215-PMD661-vs-Tascam-DR-1-vs-Olympus-LS-10-vs-R-09HR-vs-PMD620

[Church-Audio]

" I am very happy with my LS-10

Mark, John: I'm sure that there are many happy LS-10 users out there.
But nothing that you wrote addresses the major issue for the OP: the line in requires a very loud signal. Sure, if you feed it with a line signal from your cassette deck, no biggie. But a 9V preamp in the field is a totally different story.

Read the OP again, and the links to Chris' and Guysonic's evaluation. LS-10 is not the best line in recorder for unamplified soft acoustic music.

The ls-10 in my opinion is a great recorder if you DONT NEED GAIN. If you do you MUST use and external preamp with it. I also find the bass roll off feature to be very annoying and the built in mics are way to bright to be of any use for recording anything but a fart.

[spyder9]

" I am very happy with my LS-10

Mark, John: I'm sure that there are many happy LS-10 users out there.
But nothing that you wrote addresses the major issue for the OP: the line in requires a very loud signal. Sure, if you feed it with a line signal from your cassette deck, no biggie. But a 9V preamp in the field is a totally different story.

Read the OP again, and the links to Chris' and Guysonic's evaluation. LS-10 is not the best line in recorder for unamplified soft acoustic music.

The ls-10 in my opinion is a great recorder if you DONT NEED GAIN. If you do you MUST use and external preamp with it. I also find the bass roll off feature to be very annoying and the built in mics are way to bright to be of any use for recording anything but a fart.

I agree.  I think the LS-10 is bright overall, when compared to other handheld recorders.  The samples below are using the on-board mics.  I'd like to hear the difference between the 3 recording features of the LS-10:  on-board mics, line-in, and mic-in.

http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/portable-recorder-sound-samples.html
 

[flintstone]

Here's a link to an old Guysonic post that shows the line input noise with an external amp.   
I was surprised by the good performance of the Marantz PMD620 line input.

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,106750.0.html

[EarlyMorningRain]

Does anyone have the link for the size comparisons of the various recorders? There were a couple posted here on the forum but after searching again I can't find them. Really helps to give a visual image of the 3D volume of these things.

Not exactly 3D, but there is this link (there is one other I can think of, when I find it I'll post that as well)
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,113804.0.html

[flintstone]

Here's a link to Digifish's comparison of the R-09HR mic preamp
vs the MixPre --> Line Input of the R-09HR. 

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105893.msg1443847.html#msg1443847

The same low noise mics are used with both setups.  This test shows
that, while the R-09HR mic preamp is pretty quiet, the MixPre is
a noticeable improvement. 

Note that this test records a very quiet subject.  The difference between
the R-09HR and MixPre might not be as noticeable when recording a
loud subject.

Flintstone

[Church-Audio]

Here's a link to Digifish's comparison of the R-09HR mic preamp
vs the MixPre --> Line Input of the R-09HR. 

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105893.msg1443847.html#msg1443847

The same low noise mics are used with both setups.  This test shows
that, while the R-09HR mic preamp is pretty quiet, the MixPre is
a noticeable improvement. 

Note that this test records a very quiet subject.  The difference between
the R-09HR and MixPre might not be as noticeable when recording a
loud subject.

Flintstone

There are two many factors to make that test valid. Its great to get an idea of how things work but that is not a test that one should use as a deciding factor for noise. Why because the environment might change slightly from sample to sample and the way each preamp input interacts with the mics will be different.

Chris