Topic: Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR

[roxia]

So I "locked" the card on that 'thingy' on the actual card.

And I transfered the two wav files over to my computer. One file was 2 gb and the other about 600 mb+
When the second wav file (600mb+) was being copied, the Edirol disconnected itself and the transfered stopped, then it connected again. I tried to copy the second file again and it went well.

It took 10 minutes.

Everything seems to work good now Now I only need to learn how to edit it all crank the volume a bit and such.

I was doing between -12 and -6 as loudest

[shownomarcy]

hi all. I'm a perfect beginner and not only in this topic but all audio taping...
I tried to go thru on most of 4 parts topics...
Thinking of choosing this recorder, have read here mostly good things about it.

My aim is to record rock/metal shows, and that's why I worry what to buy... Im just afraid of distortion, noisy recording, all what I wish is a normal, listenable result... (I'd not stand in the first row, but 15-30 meters from the stage)
(an important point also that I cant pay more than this, and first I'd try recording with internal mics, nothing else to buy than an audio recorder for a while)
Also I'd tape in little venues, but there I cant run farther than 15 metres, so do you have experiences in such a case?
Ive heard a cool metallica bootleg recorded by 09HR and read some other tapers here, but I'd like to read some more experiences of taping heavy music with 09HR and internal mics!
(how much is this better than Zoom h2 for example? So is sony M10 / 50 better, or is this just as good?)

Thanks a lot for this great forum!

[guitard]

I'd like to read some more experiences of taping heavy music with 09HR and internal mics!

Bottom Line:  if you try to record loud music with internal mic - you'll be sorely disappointed bro.  It'll sound like shite.

In addition to the recording device, you'll have to get some (at least) OK mics and a battery box or preamp.  You get these three items and you'll then have a chance of recording loud rock/metal shows and getting some decent recordings.  You'll still need to learn how to position yourself and position the mics - but you've got to have some decent gear first.

[Brian E.]

But I only got an Edirol R-09HR and not a preamp ST-9100 and CA-14 (yet).
What will be a good input level to start out with? Around 20-30, or as high as 40 ?

I will peak around -12 and -6 as you guys have told me. I will do 24/96

raise or lower the levels until the meter is around the -12 to -6. there's no magical number because if a number did exist, it wouldn't be constant.

agreed.  with just a 9V battery box I usually run my r-09HR at around 60 and move up or down from there.

[shownomarcy]

hi,
yes I believe with external mics and other stuff are much better.
I just want to say I bought my Edirol and after first night (3 bands) Im satisfied with the result, luckily!
here is a sample (I synched the edirol sound to this video. just a little volume up and eq made in sony vegas to make too heavy "oomp" sound disappear)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RWerq-LWaQ

I hope you like it, and thanks to this forum for help!

[su6oxone]

hi,
yes I believe with external mics and other stuff are much better.
I just want to say I bought my Edirol and after first night (3 bands) Im satisfied with the result, luckily!
here is a sample (I synched the edirol sound to this video. just a little volume up and eq made in sony vegas to make too heavy "oomp" sound disappear)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RWerq-LWaQ

I hope you like it, and thanks to this forum for help!

Sounds pretty good. 

[Andrea82]

Hi guys!!

I'm italian, sorry if i made some mistake with english.

I will go to taping Deep Purple on 14 december, and i have an Edirol R09HR. This is my 1st experience of taping with this gear.
I have upgrade the firmware with the 2.0 version, now i want to know some information about the settings of the gear.

I use the internal mic, with the mic gain LOW, the LIMITER/AGC set to OFF, LOW CUT set to OFF. Is it fine for a rock concert?

Then, which is a good input level for a live concert ? I can set it from 0 to 80 ....

Please reply with some tips for make a good recording.
Thanks

[edtyre]

Just had a problem two times in a row. When my r-09HR started a new file after 2:15
of recording, the second file was corrupted when i got home and tryed to open it. Thankful both
times it was the closing applause and i didn't miss more than a few seconds of music on one show.
Could not be repaired by any wave header program.

I attributed this to deleting the last files on the card instead of formatting. I will format from now on.
On my reg r-09 i deleted files hundreds of times without any issues.

[Gutbucket]

Andrea82, your english is great.  Sounds like you have it figured out.  Your question is covered every few pages in this thread whenever someone new buys one of these recorders.  The best answer is found one page back:

I just recieved my Edirol R-09HR

I just wonder how you figure out what input level you will be using before the band starts to play you want to tape?
Do you wait for them to start playing and then set your levels? Do you set your levels when the support act is playing? Or how do you do it?

The only sure way is to sneak a chicken into the show (you may have to crotch it) and sacrifice it in the bathroom before the performance begins.  Then wipe a little of the blood on your recorder and you'll be fine.   Oh wait - R09?  I was thinking of the Microtrack.

[Andrea82]

Andrea82, your english is great.  Sounds like you have it figured out.  Your question is covered every few pages in this thread whenever someone new buys one of these recorders.  The best answer is found one page back:

I just recieved my Edirol R-09HR

I just wonder how you figure out what input level you will be using before the band starts to play you want to tape?
Do you wait for them to start playing and then set your levels? Do you set your levels when the support act is playing? Or how do you do it?

The only sure way is to sneak a chicken into the show (you may have to crotch it) and sacrifice it in the bathroom before the performance begins.  Then wipe a little of the blood on your recorder and you'll be fine.   Oh wait - R09?  I was thinking of the Microtrack.

Ok! I have read the pages, thanks 

Just another question: Is it reccomended to record with MIC GAIN set to LOW?

[zosofan]

hey gang,

picked up a used r-09hr yesterday.  it is just the recorder, no remote and no ac adaptor.  can someone post the model numbers for these parts?

i have a couple of r-09's and i know the ac adaptor is PSB-6U, but i can't find info on the one for the hr.

-UPDATE-

did a little more searching and found this link: http://www.rolandcorp.com.au/assets/media/pdf/Adaptors.pdf

it is the same ac adaptor.  now to find the remote.

[rastasean]

hey gang,

picked up a used r-09hr yesterday.  it is just the recorder, no remote and no ac adaptor.  can someone post the model numbers for these parts?

i have a couple of r-09's and i know the ac adaptor is PSB-6U, but i can't find info on the one for the hr.

-UPDATE-

did a little more searching and found this link: http://www.rolandcorp.com.au/assets/media/pdf/Adaptors.pdf

it is the same ac adaptor.  now to find the remote.

If you don't have the remote, thats what I would get over the AC adapter. the battery life on the 09hr is very good and the adapter doesn't charge the batteries--only provides power while its plugged in.

[oudplayer]

I just got my Naiant preamp which will be my permanent front-end to my r-09HR. I'm trying to figure out the ideal gain staging for the setup, and am wondering if the input level control on the Edirol is controlling an attenuator on the input (meaning that input level set at max would avoid using the attenuator and thus hypothetically be ideal regarding headroom/ S/N ) or, rather, if there is a nominal level above which one is adding amplification.

For reference, I did a test recording with the Naiant volumes cranked to the max and the Edirol set at input level of 30, which was the optimum level for the source in question. It sounded quite good, but I'm wondering if a different gain staging might sound "better"...

Thanks in advance!

[Gutbucket]

[there is a nominal level above which one is adding amplification.] -yes, and it attenuates at lower settings.

You're probably near the sweet spot around 30 or near half the input scale.  I use the older R-09s with input range numbers that run from 0-30 and shoot for 13-17 or so.  An actual HR user may chime in.. it was covered early on in the earliest HR thead if you want to go back and look.

[fmaderjr]

Chris Church once posted that the line in unity gain is 38.