Topic: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 4)

[su6oxone]

awesome, thanks.

clock issue notwithstanding, it sounds like the m10 is the near perfect small cheap recorder.

[trainspotter]

Can anyone recommend a store selling the M10 in the Eurozone?

Cheers.

[meursault]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PCM-M10-handheld-digital-recorder/dp/B0030BZPKQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291497945&sr=8-1

[udovdh]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PCM-M10-handheld-digital-recorder/dp/B0030BZPKQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291497945&sr=8-1

EURO-zone....

http://www.feedback.nl/recorders/sony/pcm-m-10

[su6oxone]

Can anyone tell me if the official Sony carrying case's lid is attached to the case by a hinge, or if it justs comes on and off? 

[darby]

Can anyone tell me if the official Sony carrying case's lid is attached to the case by a hinge, or if it justs comes on and off?

the one I received thru the rebate program is attached

[su6oxone]

Can anyone tell me if the official Sony carrying case's lid is attached to the case by a hinge, or if it justs comes on and off?

the one I received thru the rebate program is attached

thanks!

[trainspotter]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PCM-M10-handheld-digital-recorder/dp/B0030BZPKQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291497945&sr=8-1

EURO-zone....

http://www.feedback.nl/recorders/sony/pcm-m-10

Thank you for the tips.

[pnowak2]

Hi,

Im lucky owner of pcm-m10 from couple days.
I also have Zoom H4n for comparison.

The main use of those recorders for me is recording our VERY amateur gigs.

I recorded our gig with h4n, where you can hear how does it sound like:
http://www.box.net/shared/icea87xlg6

Next week i also recorded with m10:
http://www.box.net/shared/dn8e7xuy3a

Both were set on manual settings with average -12dB.
Both with internal mics only. Both in almost the same position on a mic stand.
Sony was set low sensitivity setting for mics.
The main difference was that h4n mics were set with 120 degrees, whereas sony doesnt allow such change of mics position and its fixed to 90deg only.

Go ahead and hear the difference.

For me h4n sounds much better, or maybe its adding something.

I wonder how its possible, because every comparison said that sony has better mics, preamp and overall quality.

Any suggestions how to get our records sound better on sony ?

thanks

[Artstar]

The main difference was that h4n mics were set with 120 degrees, whereas sony doesnt allow such change of mics position and its fixed to 90deg only.

Go ahead and hear the difference.

For me h4n sounds much better, or maybe its adding something.

I wonder how its possible, because every comparison said that sony has better mics, preamp and overall quality.

Any suggestions how to get our records sound better on sony ?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder (or the ear, as the case may be). Having listened to both sets of recordings, I find the Zoom sounds a little dull and bottom-heavy. Now bear in mind, there's nothing wrong with that but it's just not to my taste. The Sony, on the other hand, while its stereo imaging was a little lacklustre (which I attribute to the fixed mics), it was a more balanced recording overall. I dare say that a fairer comparison in terms of set up (obviously not budget) may be to use the Sony PCM-D50 with its mics adjusted 120 degrees as well or otherwise use the same external mics on both the H4N and PCM-M10.

How do you get it to record a better sound? Get some external mics.

If external mics aren't an option, I'd be opting to use a PCM-D50 over the PCM-M10 any day despite the price difference. Again, it all boils down to personal taste though and there is no single correct answer for everyone.

[yousef]

Apologies if this has already been answered already in the thread (didn't fancy trawling 91 pages of posts to make sure)...

But what class of Micro SD card should I be looking at buying for the M10? The 8GB SDHC class 2 and class 4 seem very reasonably priced at the moment - would either of these be ok?

[su6oxone]

Apologies if this has already been answered already in the thread (didn't fancy trawling 91 pages of posts to make sure)...

But what class of Micro SD card should I be looking at buying for the M10? The 8GB SDHC class 2 and class 4 seem very reasonably priced at the moment - would either of these be ok?

I've been told that class 2 are fine, but I went ahead and ordered a class 6 transcend 8gb ($20 at amazon) just to be on the safe side.  I've had 'slow card' errors on my R-09HR in the past when using slower cards so I decided to play it safe. 

[yousef]

Thanks for that.

The Transcend 8GB Class 6 is only £10 on Amazon UK - I'll give these a go unless anyone has noted any issues with them.

[johnferrier]

I opted for Sony M2 memory stick and ran a quick benchmark. Nearest I can tell, it clocks in something short of what would qualify as class 4.

[Ozpeter]

The Sony, on the other hand, while its stereo imaging was a little lacklustre (which I attribute to the fixed mics), it was a more balanced recording overall.

The Sony M10 has closely spaced omni mics.  It wouldn't matter which way you pointed them, you would still get a poor stereo image.  In fact, that's about the only redeeming feature of that mic arrangement, because you can use it vertical or horizontal and it really won't make much difference.

If that mic arrangement was a good idea, it would appear in the technical literature on mic techniques.  It doesn't.  It leads in particular to a skewing of the stereo image based on frequency, with low frequencies clumping in the centre of the image, and high frequencies moving to the edges.

Sorry to repeat that, but I detect in the posts above that not everyone is aware of that downside with this otherwise fine recorder.