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Low-Pro Cardoid Mics - Is There An Upgrade Path?
« on: October 21, 2010, 01:44:09 PM »
As per title, with emphasis on low-pro, is there any potential upgrades to my current CA11 and CA14 card mics? No, not at all interested in omnis, not with the gobshites that go to the gigs I do. :-)
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Re: Low-Pro Cardoid Mics - Is There An Upgrade Path?
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2010, 01:51:51 PM »
Some people low-pro with DPA and Schoeps mics.  I do find the results pleasing, but maybe not worth the considerable cost investment unless you'd open tape with those mics as well.
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Re: Low-Pro Cardoid Mics - Is There An Upgrade Path?
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2010, 01:54:41 PM »
Quote from: jamroom on October 21, 2010, 01:44:09 PM
As per title, with emphasis on low-pro, is there any potential upgrades to my current CA11 and CA14 card mics? No, not at all interested in omnis, not with the gobshites that go to the gigs I do. :-)

Quote from: Belexes on October 21, 2010, 01:51:51 PM
Some people low-pro with DPA and Schoeps mics.  I do find the results pleasing, but maybe not worth the considerable cost investment unless you'd open tape with those mics as well.

Beat me to it.
Phantom power based remote/active solutions depending on your flavor prefences would be the only alternative I'd consider. The CA-14s currently have top spot on the 9v side IMHO. Laws of deminishing returns start to really set in at that point.
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Re: Low-Pro Cardoid Mics - Is There An Upgrade Path?
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2010, 04:07:07 PM »
Quote from: Belexes on October 21, 2010, 01:51:51 PM
Some people low-pro with DPA and Schoeps mics.  I do find the results pleasing, but maybe not worth the considerable cost investment unless you'd open tape with those mics as well.

DPA and Schoeps cards? There are a huge number of confusing model numbers. Anything in particular?
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Re: Low-Pro Cardoid Mics - Is There An Upgrade Path?
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2010, 04:34:08 PM »
Quote from: jamroom on October 21, 2010, 04:07:07 PM
DPA and Schoeps cards? There are a huge number of confusing model numbers. Anything in particular?
DPA4021/4022/4023 (+power supply/preamp)
Schoeps CCM4 (+power supply/preamp)
Schoeps MK4 + actives + various powering/preamp solutions
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Re: Low-Pro Cardoid Mics - Is There An Upgrade Path?
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2010, 04:43:33 PM »
Quote from: jefflester on October 21, 2010, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: jamroom on October 21, 2010, 04:07:07 PM
DPA and Schoeps cards? There are a huge number of confusing model numbers. Anything in particular?
DPA4021/4022/4023 (+power supply/preamp)
Schoeps CCM4 (+power supply/preamp)
Schoeps MK4 + actives + various powering/preamp solutions

Also remote/actives:

beyer ck9X0 series
mbhos (only 1 set of bodies, but the caps all do AFAIK)
milab vm44-link
neumann km100 series (the ak40 caps are the cardioids)
akg 300 blueline series

The AKGs are the cheapest at around $500 used. All of these will require more space at the cap area then your CA-14s, so keep that in mind for incognito work.
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Re: Low-Pro Cardoid Mics - Is There An Upgrade Path?
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2010, 06:47:13 PM »
Page and Jefflester pretty much gave you the whole list...

Only solutions not mentioned so far that I can think of...

*Sennheiser MK8040/8050s (IMO too big for low pro but some people think differently)
*AKG CK9x caps -> "activestyle" cables -> preamp (cheapest upgrade)
*Röde NT6 "actives" (cheapest "active style" solution I know of)

There you have it...

For omnis it´s easier, just get a pair of Nevatons MCE400 and you´ll never look for another set of low pro omnis again!  ;D

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Re: Low-Pro Cardoid Mics - Is There An Upgrade Path?
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2010, 10:14:46 PM »
Audix micro series....
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Re: Low-Pro Cardoid Mics - Is There An Upgrade Path?
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2010, 10:25:43 PM »
Quote from: OtheroneK on October 21, 2010, 10:14:46 PM
Audix micro series....

Quote from: nicegrin on October 21, 2010, 06:47:13 PM
*Röde NT6 "actives" (cheapest "active style" solution I know of)

Completely spaced on both of these brands. Thanks.

Quote from: nicegrin on October 21, 2010, 06:47:13 PM
*AKG CK9x caps -> "activestyle" cables -> preamp (cheapest upgrade)

Thats not the blueline series?
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Re: Low-Pro Cardoid Mics - Is There An Upgrade Path?
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2010, 11:05:27 PM »
Now that phantom powered XLR(balanced) field recorders are tiny (i.e. PMD661),many low pro, fantastic sounding options are available...
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Re: Low-Pro Cardoid Mics - Is There An Upgrade Path?
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2010, 01:35:36 AM »
Milab VM-44-Links!
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Re: Low-Pro Cardoid Mics - Is There An Upgrade Path?
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2010, 06:25:08 AM »
Yeah the Milabs seem sweet. Hope they get their hypercaps out soon!

Milabs vm44,
dpa 402x and
scheops mk4s

are the only upgrades I´d consider from where I am right now...

My recomendations in general for card upgrades from the usual suspects of 9v mics goes as follows:


~$400

Audix 1280 + church actives + pre (9v though!)


~$600

AKG ck9x + actives + pre (works with 9v though!)

~$1200

Beyerdynamic CK9x0 + pre/phantom (11-52 V)

~$1500

Milab vm44 links + pre/phantom (11-52 v)

~ + $2500

Mk4+cmrs+tinybox
DPA 402x + 48 v phantom/pre

Just my 2 cents!

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Re: Low-Pro Cardoid Mics - Is There An Upgrade Path?
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2010, 08:13:24 AM »
You might also want to wait until after the AES meeting in a few weeks, I understand a number of new things are coming there.

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Re: Low-Pro Cardoid Mics - Is There An Upgrade Path?
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2010, 08:34:28 AM »
I don't understand the love for Audix. I have listened to a bunch of samples on Archive and am not liking the bass response.
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Re: Low-Pro Cardoid Mics - Is There An Upgrade Path?
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2010, 08:49:37 AM »
Many thanks to you all for the replies so far. I will do a bit of investigation and mull it over for a bit.
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