Become a Site Supporter and Never see Ads again!

Author Topic: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)  (Read 65383 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline PaulCayard

  • Trade Count: (6)
  • Taperssection Regular
  • **
  • Posts: 79
Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #210 on: June 01, 2018, 04:49:44 AM »
Thanks edtyre for sharing all your test. Could you post here your rig of the last recording and level setting on r07? Thanks a lot!
Mics: Nakamichi CM-300 JB mod (CP-1), AT853 4.7k mod (SC/C/H), AT U853 4.7k mod (C/H), CA-14 (C)
Pre-amp/Power: CA-9200, CA-9100, CA-UBB
Recorder: Roland R-07, Sony M10, Tascam DR-2d (x2), Roland R-05

Offline edtyre

  • Trade Count: (81)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 2201
  • Gender: Male
  • Team Philly " No Excuses, Just Tapes"
Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #211 on: June 01, 2018, 10:50:18 AM »
Thanks edtyre for sharing all your test. Could you post here your rig of the last recording and level setting on r07? Thanks a lot!
Sure

schoeps mk41v > actives > nbox plastic platinum (+6db gain) > roland r-07 (24/44.1 wav) gain on 15
single wav recording
music>mics>pre>recorder

Offline heathen

  • Trade Count: (22)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 2732
Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #212 on: June 01, 2018, 11:00:49 AM »
Can anyone offer a comparison of how much metal is on the R-07 compared to the R-05, or any of the other "standard" compact recorders (M10, etc)?
Recordings on LMA: https://archive.org/search.php?query=taper%3A%22Lucas+Lorenz%22
Mics: AT4031 | AT853 (C/SC) | Line Audio CM3 | Sennheiser e614 | Sennheiser MKE2 | DPA 4061 | CA-14 omni Pres: CA9200 | DPA d:vice Decks: Zoom F8 | Roland R-05

Offline edtyre

  • Trade Count: (81)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 2201
  • Gender: Male
  • Team Philly " No Excuses, Just Tapes"
Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #213 on: June 01, 2018, 11:08:58 AM »
Can anyone offer a comparison of how much metal is on the R-07 compared to the R-05, or any of the other "standard" compact recorders (M10, etc)?

No metal on outside, all plastic. I'm sorry i have yet to take one apart. I'm sure Nicky will :-)
music>mics>pre>recorder

Offline heathen

  • Trade Count: (22)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 2732
Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #214 on: June 01, 2018, 11:13:12 AM »
Thanks for the info.  I may have to pick one of these up.  The remote app sounds so very good for stealthing.

Can you start a recording using the remote app?  Like if you have the recorder on, but tucked away.
Recordings on LMA: https://archive.org/search.php?query=taper%3A%22Lucas+Lorenz%22
Mics: AT4031 | AT853 (C/SC) | Line Audio CM3 | Sennheiser e614 | Sennheiser MKE2 | DPA 4061 | CA-14 omni Pres: CA9200 | DPA d:vice Decks: Zoom F8 | Roland R-05

Offline sos

  • Trade Count: (53)
  • Taperssection Regular
  • **
  • Posts: 215
Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #215 on: June 01, 2018, 11:16:20 AM »

Can you start a recording using the remote app?  Like if you have the recorder on, but tucked away.

Yessir.
Mics
AKG:  Naiant actives (CK61/62/63-ULS) & C568 B
Audio-Technica:  AT853 (all caps)
Nakamichi:  Franken Nak(s): CM-300 (CP-1/2/3) & CM-700 (CP-701/702)
Primo:  EM4052PMI4 (CP-3)
Pres Naiant: littlebox (v. 1.5/ot) & tinyboxes (v. 1.0 & 2.5)
Decks Sound Devices: MixPre-10T | Sony: PCM-A10 | Roland: R-05 & R-09HR
Juice RAVPower Xtreme 23k (RP-PB14) | Ladda & Eneloop Pro rechargeables | Powerex MHC9000

Offline edtyre

  • Trade Count: (81)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 2201
  • Gender: Male
  • Team Philly " No Excuses, Just Tapes"
Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #216 on: June 01, 2018, 02:06:53 PM »
At this point its fair to say all the points people
were worried about have been answered.

Pros

1- sounds good "mic" in
2- sounds good "line" in
3- dual recording on low volume tracks with 2x wav setting
4- has great Bluetooth, app works perfect in most cases.
5- meters are mirrored exact from phone app
6- Its made of plastic, pass metal detection?


Cons

1 - 2x wav bumps up min gain to -42
2 - the fucking lights
3 - micro cards
4 - lock on unit does NOT lock phone app
5 - battery life??

I'm sold!
music>mics>pre>recorder

Offline nak700s

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Taperssection Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 630
  • Gender: Male
Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #217 on: June 01, 2018, 02:08:34 PM »
I have been watching this with some interest.  I only run stealth so there are specific features to convince an upgrade.  Its not the app since I don't need the phone to be more discreet, its not the dual tracks, its the amount of metal and whether it will set off metal detectors.  With a babynbox and a mostly plastic recorder it would take TSA level security to keep me from getting gear in.  If it works as well as the Tascam DR-2D for me and its easier to get in I might get one for a super stealth rig.

This is the reason I love my stealth rig.  The Edirol R-09HR and the CA9200 (Church Audio pre-amp) are all plastic and have never set off a metal detector. It's a wonderful thing ;-)
Normal: Nakamichi CM-700's >> SD 744T (or) Sony PCM-M10
Normal: Crown CM-700's >> SD 302 >> SD 744T
Fun times: 3 Crown CM-700's >> SD 302 >> SD744T + 2 Nakamichi CM-700's >> SD744T
Stealth: CA-14c >> CA 9200 >> Edirol R-09HR
Ultra stealth: AudioReality >> AudioReality battery box >> Edirol R-09HR
Simple & Sweet!

Offline heathen

  • Trade Count: (22)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 2732
Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #218 on: June 01, 2018, 02:20:25 PM »
4 - lock on unit does NOT lock phone app
Isn't think kind of a pro?  If I have the thing stowed away and want to run it solely from the phone app, I'll probably want the unit locked so no accidental button presses on the unit itself mess with the recording.  At the same time, I'd want to be able to use the phone app, rather than have it locked as well.

Then again I don't actually have one of these, and haven't used the phone app, so maybe there's a wrinkle to this that I'm missing.

As to cons, what was the final verdict on the noise when changing levels?  I know it was discussed at some length in this thread, but I don't know what the outcome was.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2018, 02:23:19 PM by heathen »
Recordings on LMA: https://archive.org/search.php?query=taper%3A%22Lucas+Lorenz%22
Mics: AT4031 | AT853 (C/SC) | Line Audio CM3 | Sennheiser e614 | Sennheiser MKE2 | DPA 4061 | CA-14 omni Pres: CA9200 | DPA d:vice Decks: Zoom F8 | Roland R-05

Offline edtyre

  • Trade Count: (81)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 2201
  • Gender: Male
  • Team Philly " No Excuses, Just Tapes"
Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #219 on: June 01, 2018, 02:33:59 PM »
Then again I don't actually have one of these, and haven't used the phone app, so maybe there's a wrinkle to this that I'm missing.
As to cons, what was the final verdict on the noise when changing levels?  I know it was discussed at some length in this thread, but I don't know what the outcome was.

You can easily press stop on the phone app screen, maybe a lock button to change settings.
No noise whatsoever on any of my stuff so far.

You kids have fun talking about it, i'll be at a show taping with it
« Last Edit: June 01, 2018, 02:36:31 PM by edtyre »
music>mics>pre>recorder

Offline nak700s

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Taperssection Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 630
  • Gender: Male
Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #220 on: June 01, 2018, 02:43:59 PM »
Then again I don't actually have one of these, and haven't used the phone app, so maybe there's a wrinkle to this that I'm missing.
As to cons, what was the final verdict on the noise when changing levels?  I know it was discussed at some length in this thread, but I don't know what the outcome was.

You can easily press stop on the phone app screen, maybe a lock button to change settings.
No noise whatsoever on any of my stuff so far.

You kids have fun talking about it, i'll be at a show taping with it

With a touch screen on a phone, wouldn't it be a little too easy to press stop or something else that could mess up the recording?  Is there a way to lock the phone screen buttons?
Also, do you know what the power drain is yet: both the R07 and the phone?
Normal: Nakamichi CM-700's >> SD 744T (or) Sony PCM-M10
Normal: Crown CM-700's >> SD 302 >> SD 744T
Fun times: 3 Crown CM-700's >> SD 302 >> SD744T + 2 Nakamichi CM-700's >> SD744T
Stealth: CA-14c >> CA 9200 >> Edirol R-09HR
Ultra stealth: AudioReality >> AudioReality battery box >> Edirol R-09HR
Simple & Sweet!

Offline dallman

  • Site Supporter
  • Trade Count: (30)
  • Taperssection All-Star
  • *
  • Posts: 1719
  • Gender: Male
    • Clifford Morse
Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #221 on: June 01, 2018, 03:21:58 PM »
Then again I don't actually have one of these, and haven't used the phone app, so maybe there's a wrinkle to this that I'm missing.
As to cons, what was the final verdict on the noise when changing levels?  I know it was discussed at some length in this thread, but I don't know what the outcome was.

You can easily press stop on the phone app screen, maybe a lock button to change settings.
No noise whatsoever on any of my stuff so far.

You kids have fun talking about it, i'll be at a show taping with it

With a touch screen on a phone, wouldn't it be a little too easy to press stop or something else that could mess up the recording?  Is there a way to lock the phone screen buttons?
Also, do you know what the power drain is yet: both the R07 and the phone?
I have used the app quite a bit and it is really the big surprise in how much I like it and use it. If you simply back out of the app being lit on your screen or just click whatever you might click on your phone to go dark, the app temporarily disconnects, so having a lock button would just be one more (unnecessary) step. I don't think an accidental press is likely unless you are someone who puts their phone in their pocket with the screen lit in the middle of an application. I think it was purposely designed that way, and in using it, the process makes sense.
Support Live Music: Tape A Show Today!
Deck>possibly something here> Mics

Offline jerryfreak

  • Trade Count: (29)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 3318
  • team WOOz
Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #222 on: June 01, 2018, 09:22:48 PM »
Thanks for the info.  I may have to pick one of these up.

bug me before you do, i have 2 and might only be keeping one because i like my dpa>d:vice setup.


The remote app sounds so very good for stealthing.

Can you start a recording using the remote app?  Like if you have the recorder on, but tucked away.

app is great. can start/stop and adjust levels. regardless of whether recorder is in lock or not (but its easy to turn off phone screen and lock phone for that)

every show ive recorded left the battery indicator on full after 2 hours
« Last Edit: June 02, 2018, 02:55:53 AM by jerryfreak »
team schoeps, dpa, benchmark, and zoom mostly... subject to change without warning

Offline jerryfreak

  • Trade Count: (29)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 3318
  • team WOOz
Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #223 on: June 01, 2018, 10:04:34 PM »
heres a test i did of mic/line  input noise at various levels

level adjustments at (approximately, the one at 1:00 is a bit late...like 1:10)
0:00 = 0 input level
0:30 = 5
1:00 = 10
.
.
.
8:30 = 85
9:00 = 90
9:30 = 95
10:00 = 100

you can see the level adjustments by the ticks (remember- its a feature!) which are sometimes worse than others

as you can see the noise isnt too bad but gets pretty high above 80% input level as kind of expected by this cheap consumer pre-on-a-chip

looks pretty solid up to 50 input, would not run above 80 in any case
that was with an empty cable, ill try it with an actual load like a clean ADC being fed zeros
 

some statistics in soundforge
input level,  RMS level (peak level)
0, >93dB
10, >93dB (peak 80 dB)
20, >93dB (peak 79 dB)
30, >92dB (peak 79 dB)
40, >90dB (peak 76 dB)
50, >87dB (peak 73 dB)
55, >84dB
60, >90dB (peak 75 dB)(is it switching circuits internally here?)
70, >87dB
80, >84dB (peak 65 dB)
85, >75dB
90, >68dB (peak 53 dB)
95, >68 dB
100, >65 dB (peak 47 dB)

« Last Edit: June 01, 2018, 10:06:18 PM by jerryfreak »
team schoeps, dpa, benchmark, and zoom mostly... subject to change without warning

Offline edtyre

  • Trade Count: (81)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 2201
  • Gender: Male
  • Team Philly " No Excuses, Just Tapes"
Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #224 on: June 03, 2018, 10:43:43 AM »
Real Loud No Problemo

mk41v > actives > nbox plat > r-07 (24/44.1) gain on 17 single wav

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dzr30ecSGQ&index=2&list=PLm9VWtRHsBE7DlbyxV4oQClMabmx9SGBY&t=192s
music>mics>pre>recorder

 

RSS | Mobile
Page created in 0.141 seconds with 56 queries.
© 2002-2020 Taperssection.com
Powered by SMF