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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #180 on: September 20, 2020, 07:36:03 PM »
Go for the A10, the bluetooth functionality is worth it alone.
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #181 on: September 20, 2020, 08:31:13 PM »
Does anyone remember dubbing a cassette or two in real time?

I sure do.  And I also remember how cool it was when I got a double-cassette player that had high-speed copying so you could dub tapes at 2x speed.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #182 on: September 21, 2020, 11:40:59 AM »
Does anyone remember dubbing a cassette or two in real time?
I remember paying for Circuit City's service contract and getting replacement dubbing decks every third time they needed speed adjustment, since they had a policy not to make the same repair three times on the same deck.


Step 1: Purchase new dubbing deck and warranty
Step 2: Take new deck to Service depot for precise speed adjustment and set record bias to my favorite tape type for recording.
Step 3: use deck until speed is not precise
Step 4: Take deck in for adjustment and calibration
Step 5: See step 3
Step 6: Take deck in for full exchange credit and pay a few dollars for a slightly nicer dubbing deck and pro-rated full 3 year warranty.
Step 7: give away all high speed duplicated cassettes when I moved a few years ago
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #183 on: September 22, 2020, 10:21:29 PM »
Go for the A10, the bluetooth functionality is worth it alone.

This. I love my M10s, especially for their insane battery life, but being able to check levels via your phone is a game changer.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #184 on: September 23, 2020, 12:12:06 AM »
Does anyone remember dubbing a cassette or two in real time?

Back in the day, this band I liked played very frequently, many times at venues around the Bay Area. Before a set of shows, 4 or 5 friends would drop their cassette decks and a box of tapes with me. Each night I'd get home in SF 12-1, unpack my D-5M, and put it on top of a tower of decks that were daisy chained together. Loaded them all with blanks and put them in record/pause. I could unpause 4 at a time, then unpause my D-5M for playback plus any other recording decks. Would usually get at least first tape dubbed before sleeping then wake up and finish.

Friends all committed to make at least 5 copies for others in the tree, so we could get shows circulating without a whole lot of muss/fuss. I was running km84i's and that was somewhat unusual, so there was interest in the recordings.

Beta decks were more expensive, so we only had 2 SL-2000's at our house in Oakland, making offsite backup sharing a bit slower.

Mostly used Panasonic home DATs and Sony portables. No flips made it easier, but the thrill was going.

Now I seed torrents and have a dropbox archive for file sharing, and clone and mail hard drives full of shows. Very efficient, but somehow less satisfying for this dinosaur.
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #185 on: September 23, 2020, 07:48:44 PM »
Does anyone remember dubbing a cassette or two in real time?

Back in the day, this band I liked played very frequently, many times at venues around the Bay Area. Before a set of shows, 4 or 5 friends would drop their cassette decks and a box of tapes with me. Each night I'd get home in SF 12-1, unpack my D-5M, and put it on top of a tower of decks that were daisy chained together. Loaded them all with blanks and put them in record/pause. I could unpause 4 at a time, then unpause my D-5M for playback plus any other recording decks. Would usually get at least first tape dubbed before sleeping then wake up and finish.

Friends all committed to make at least 5 copies for others in the tree, so we could get shows circulating without a whole lot of muss/fuss. I was running km84i's and that was somewhat unusual, so there was interest in the recordings.

Beta decks were more expensive, so we only had 2 SL-2000's at our house in Oakland, making offsite backup sharing a bit slower.

Mostly used Panasonic home DATs and Sony portables. No flips made it easier, but the thrill was going.

Now I seed torrents and have a dropbox archive for file sharing, and clone and mail hard drives full of shows. Very efficient, but somehow less satisfying for this dinosaur.

I remember that house in Oakland.   :bigsmile:

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #186 on: November 05, 2020, 06:47:22 PM »
Just got this little guy in today.  I thought about saying something about how small it is ... but figured so many others ... oh fuck it ... I'll just go ahead then, THIS THING IS TINY!!!!

So in the Settings > Recording Settings menu -- there are a couple of settings I'm wondering about.

Recording Filter
NCF (Noise Cut)
LCF (Low Cut)

LIMITER
ON
OFF

I will be running the A10 as:  MK41s > Nbob Actives > Nbox Baby or Platinum > A10 > (24/96) -- usually at moderately to very loud shows.

Which of the two options under Recording Filter (NCF or LCF) and LIMITER (ON or OFF) should I start out using?

I've asked a few folks at Dime who are running the exact same rig I'm using (one with a Baby Nbox and the other with the Platinum) who both record in similar circumstances about input levels, and the Baby box user said 5-6; and the Platinum user said between 3-5.  I see others in these A10 threads using much higher input levels, but they aren't using Nboxes.  I haven't even tried it out yet, so obviously, I'll learn plenty when I get out there.  But just wanted to ask here if this sounds right.
Mics: Schoeps MK41s & DPA 4060s (spares: CA-11 omnis and cards, AT853 cards)
Pre-amps: BabyNbox & Platinum Nbox + Actives for the MK41s (spares:  CA-UGLY II & CA-9100) 
Decks: Sony A10 (spares: Edirol R-07 & R-09HR)

Video: Sony FDR AX100 (4K), Pany ZS100 (4K) & Sony DSC HX50V (HD)
Photo: Canon EOS 60D

A/V software: Sony Vegas Pro 13.0 (build 453) 64 bit / DVD Architect Pro 6.0 (build 237)

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #187 on: November 05, 2020, 06:49:54 PM »
THATS WHAT SHE SAID!!!!

but seriously, it can take to (i beleive +11dBU), no brickwalling all the way down to input level 1. it buys a good amount of dynamic range at higher input levels

« Last Edit: November 05, 2020, 06:53:57 PM by jerryfreak »
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #188 on: November 05, 2020, 06:59:12 PM »
Looking over your sig, seems like you have a rig that you've used before as well as the new hotness.

If that's the case, then my recommendation is:
1. Set up your old rig in a room with a stereo that you can turn up a bit. Place mics pretty close to speakers, set rig to usual gain for a show, then turn up stereo until you see usual levels.
2. Set up new rig w mics similarly situated, play stereo at previously determined loudness, then adjust gain on A10 until you're happy.

Not perfect, but has always worked for me for getting rough idea of starting point for new gear.

Hope that was clear; please let me know if I can unconfuse anything.
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #189 on: November 05, 2020, 07:05:06 PM »
Looking over your sig, seems like you have a rig that you've used before as well as the new hotness.

If that's the case, then my recommendation is:
1. Set up your old rig in a room with a stereo that you can turn up a bit. Place mics pretty close to speakers, set rig to usual gain for a show, then turn up stereo until you see usual levels.
2. Set up new rig w mics similarly situated, play stereo at previously determined loudness, then adjust gain on A10 until you're happy.

Not perfect, but has always worked for me for getting rough idea of starting point for new gear.

Hope that was clear; please let me know if I can unconfuse anything.

Clear as mud!!  No seriously - great suggestion.  Thanks.
Mics: Schoeps MK41s & DPA 4060s (spares: CA-11 omnis and cards, AT853 cards)
Pre-amps: BabyNbox & Platinum Nbox + Actives for the MK41s (spares:  CA-UGLY II & CA-9100) 
Decks: Sony A10 (spares: Edirol R-07 & R-09HR)

Video: Sony FDR AX100 (4K), Pany ZS100 (4K) & Sony DSC HX50V (HD)
Photo: Canon EOS 60D

A/V software: Sony Vegas Pro 13.0 (build 453) 64 bit / DVD Architect Pro 6.0 (build 237)

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #190 on: November 05, 2020, 07:25:18 PM »
Just got this little guy in today.  I thought about saying something about how small it is ... but figured so many others ... oh fuck it ... I'll just go ahead then, THIS THING IS TINY!!!!

So in the Settings > Recording Settings menu -- there are a couple of settings I'm wondering about.

Recording Filter
NCF (Noise Cut)  OFF
LCF (Low Cut)  OFF

LIMITER  OFF
ON
OFF

I will be running the A10 as:  MK41s > Nbob Actives > Nbox Baby or Platinum > A10 > (24/96) -- usually at moderately to very loud shows.

Which of the two options under Recording Filter (NCF or LCF) and LIMITER (ON or OFF) should I start out using?

I've asked a few folks at Dime who are running the exact same rig I'm using (one with a Baby Nbox and the other with the Platinum) who both record in similar circumstances about input levels, and the Baby box user said 5-6; and the Platinum user said between 3-5.  I see others in these A10 threads using much higher input levels, but they aren't using Nboxes.  I haven't even tried it out yet, so obviously, I'll learn plenty when I get out there.  But just wanted to ask here if this sounds right.

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #191 on: November 05, 2020, 07:38:48 PM »
Just got this little guy in today.  I thought about saying something about how small it is ... but figured so many others ... oh fuck it ... I'll just go ahead then, THIS THING IS TINY!!!!

So in the Settings > Recording Settings menu -- there are a couple of settings I'm wondering about.

Recording Filter
NCF (Noise Cut)  OFF
LCF (Low Cut)  OFF

LIMITER  OFF
ON
OFF

I will be running the A10 as:  MK41s > Nbob Actives > Nbox Baby or Platinum > A10 > (24/96) -- usually at moderately to very loud shows.

Which of the two options under Recording Filter (NCF or LCF) and LIMITER (ON or OFF) should I start out using?

I've asked a few folks at Dime who are running the exact same rig I'm using (one with a Baby Nbox and the other with the Platinum) who both record in similar circumstances about input levels, and the Baby box user said 5-6; and the Platinum user said between 3-5.  I see others in these A10 threads using much higher input levels, but they aren't using Nboxes.  I haven't even tried it out yet, so obviously, I'll learn plenty when I get out there.  But just wanted to ask here if this sounds right.

Thanks!
Mics: Schoeps MK41s & DPA 4060s (spares: CA-11 omnis and cards, AT853 cards)
Pre-amps: BabyNbox & Platinum Nbox + Actives for the MK41s (spares:  CA-UGLY II & CA-9100) 
Decks: Sony A10 (spares: Edirol R-07 & R-09HR)

Video: Sony FDR AX100 (4K), Pany ZS100 (4K) & Sony DSC HX50V (HD)
Photo: Canon EOS 60D

A/V software: Sony Vegas Pro 13.0 (build 453) 64 bit / DVD Architect Pro 6.0 (build 237)

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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #192 on: November 05, 2020, 07:41:52 PM »
im not a limiter guy but ive heard this one is useless
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Re: Sony PCM-A10 (Part 2)
« Reply #193 on: November 05, 2020, 08:10:02 PM »
LIMITER
ON
OFF
I use the limiter. Use the mobile app and you can toggle it on and off while recording and watching levels.
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