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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #585 on: September 12, 2025, 06:24:46 PM »
Do you guys go Mic-in or Line-in?

PIP (5V) is only available via mic-in.  Most tapers are using PR-2's mic-in to eliminate the need for a battery box / external pre and achieve one of the smallest rigs possible.

Line-in can accept a hotter input of course but with no mic-power provided.  Really wish PIP could be turned on for line-in though, since the mics I wish to use work to full spec with 5V powering but are too sensitive for use into the PR2's mic-in, overloading its input stage.
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #586 on: September 13, 2025, 01:45:55 PM »
+t gutbucket

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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #587 on: October 09, 2025, 04:24:17 PM »
funny that the website still shows v1.9 as the latest firmware. I only just noticed the update for v2.1 and installed it now. I'm either going to use this or my R-07 tonight.
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #588 on: October 09, 2025, 05:17:30 PM »
Did the same. This time I took a screenshot of the change log.
They also added a "Stereo Dual Gain" option, which you can find under Menu -> Mode -> Track. Turning it off makes the gain adjustment one slider. I don't see any wheel UI for adjusting gain, it's still a slider for me.

Thanks for pointing out the Mode > Track option. One less thing to worry about in the field.  :cheers: Did that appear in this latest firmware update or was it there before?

The wheel is accessed by tapping the gain value number itself. I consider it a safer than the slider because you must tap Confirm vs possibly overdoing the slider in the middle of a recording.

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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #589 on: October 09, 2025, 05:50:30 PM »
reading this thread makes me want one of these for stealth.

Is anyone running DPAs 4061s > PR-2? I would like to know how it sounds, and what gain setting you are using.

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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #590 on: October 10, 2025, 03:47:43 AM »
reading this thread makes me want one of these for stealth.

Is anyone running DPAs 4061s > PR-2? I would like to know how it sounds, and what gain setting you are using.

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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #591 on: October 22, 2025, 08:04:45 AM »
How do people find the real world battery performance of the PR2 when using it to power DPA4061's?
I've seen online the unit gets "30 hours of battery life" but wondering how true that is when putting out 5V PIP.

I've put about 4 hours of recording into my unit so far and the battery icon is showing full. Just curious if I actually need to change batteries before a gig tomorrow night or if I've got tons of juice.
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #592 on: October 22, 2025, 09:24:17 AM »
Good question.  A long time. But I'd like to know more precisely and still don't fully trust the meter yet.  I've not done a proper run down time test. 

I've been using disposable lithium AAs, rotating in a fresh pair in for more important stuff, or when heading out of town with it just to cover whatever I may be interested in, then putting a used pair in for non-recording car/headphone playback stuff.  Can say  that a fresh pair easily handled a festival a day of 4-6 separate sets for me.
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #593 on: October 22, 2025, 10:36:33 AM »
I've not done a proper test with the 4061 > PR-2 rig running 5V pip like Gutbucket referred to, but I can say anecdotally that I did mess around with the unit when I first got it for a couple of hours figuring out the settings, and then taped 6 shows that were all at least 2.5 hours each and got halfway into a 7th show before the Deity AA batteries that came with it died. I don't have an exact amount of time used, but I'd say 20 hours is a good estimate.
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #594 on: October 22, 2025, 12:58:55 PM »
^ That feels about right to me.  I think the Deity batteries which were initially provided with the unit are simply another branded standard disposable lithium, essentially an alternate to the ubiquitous silver Eveready lithiums (which is what I've been using).  Use time seems similar to that initial Deity set.  But I'm still wondering why in that case there is a dedicated menu setting for the Deity batteries in addition to standard lithium, NiMH, and alkaline.  Are they actually different?  Is the menu setting just a ploy to encourage folks to purchase Deity branded replacement batteries [shrug]?
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #595 on: November 09, 2025, 09:49:11 AM »
I have been using the PR2 for about a year now, and have not had any trouble until this last week... At the show I turned the PR2 on, and it showed the spinner for quite a while, and then the error message "NO CARD". After many years of this hobby, I am not very capable of enjoying the show if I know I will have no recording, so I decided to at least try to record with my iPhone. I downloaded an audio recorder app, held the phone in the right direction and recorded the entire show. Not my greatest recording, but the result is waaay better than I expected  :D.

The next evening I did some research into what went wrong with the PR2. I took the SD card out of the PR2, and connected it to my mac. The mac did not initially mount the SD card, but after a "First aid" with the Disk utility app it mounted, all the data was there, and after plugging it back into the PR2, everything was back in business... I assume something went wrong when I disconnected the PR2 from my mac last time before the show. I was pretty sure I checked that everything was working before I left the house, but I could be wrong. Does anyone know if it is less risky taking the SD card out of the PR2 and connecting to the computer through a card reader?

So to summarize, a few pieces of advice:
  • After disconnecting the PR2 from your computer, always double check that everything is ok before bringing it to the show
  • If you end up in the NO CARD situation, try to tape with your phone, it might turn out better than you think...
  • If this situation scares you, maybe bring an extra SD card to the show

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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #596 on: November 09, 2025, 10:11:59 AM »
Maybe keep an extra sd card in your wallet
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #597 on: November 10, 2025, 10:47:40 AM »
I picked up a second PR2 last week to play around with clock sync and shared transport control of multiple units via the Sidus app.   

My goal is reimplementing a favored four channel baffled LRCB low-profile recording arrangement using two PR2 in place of the custom four channel CA-UGLY preamp > DR2d rig I'd been using up until covid.  Since that LRCB arrangement was primarily intended for seated concerts and torso baffled, I instead ran it all in a hat last Friday to better accommodate the standing audience at a relatively small music club. 

First updated the firmware on both recorders - easiest to just transfer the bin file directly to the root of the card in the PR2 via USB, then disconnect and update.  Everything worked fine in a few tests prior as well as at the show.  No problem connecting to both recorders, sync'ing clock / file into, starting and stopping both recordings simultaneously, and shutting down both recorders afterward via the app, so pleased on that account.  Have yet to off-load and check sync of the files, so stay tuned..
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #598 on: November 11, 2025, 11:47:42 AM »
Have yet to off-load and check sync of the files, so stay tuned..

Back to report. I transferred stereo files from both PR2s last night. tl;dr- Recording and control of multiple units by the Sidus app works.  Sync is not ideal, but seems manageable

Upon transfer I noted the corresponding files have the same time stamp but very slightly different sizes.  Hmmm, will that mean I'll need to align by timecode rather than simply aligning the start of both files?

Prior to recording using both PR2's together last Friday night I set the timecode on each recorder to 60 frames per second, figuring that choosing the highest available frame rate may serve to increase the potential resolution of alignment. I also changed the DID device name of each PR2 to reflect the channels being recorded, and thankfully that device renaming carried over to the saved file names.  So I had two stereo files from the separate recorders: LR_4061.wav and CB_4061.wav

I don't have editing software loaded on the laptop I was using to do the file transfer, so figured I'd try an old trick I've long used to use to achieve quick, easy stereo playback of 4-channel baffled omni LRCB recordings previously made to Tascam DR2d.  I renamed the stereo files: 1.wav, 2.wav, placed them in a folder with a .pjt extension, and copied it to the SD card in the Roland R44.  Despite the slightly different file sizes, the files were successfully recognized for four channel playback by the R44.

The trick I use for quick 2ch stereo playback of LRCB recordings is to engage Mid/Side playback decoding on the R44 for the Center/Back microphone pair. The Center microphone serves as Mid, while the Back (rear-facing) microphone serves as Side, and that pseudo stereo pair output gets mixed in to taste with the dedicated L/R channels.  Adjustment of the M/S ratio all the way down to zero mutes the Back channel entirely, so that when combined with the L/R stereo pair the result is a 3 channel L/C/R mix with C correctly panned to center.  At that point I can adjust the balance between LR and C for best effect.  That's 3 channels total.  Once that 3 channel L/C/R balance is about right, adjusting the M/S ratio brings in Back rear-facing channel content, with its polarity inverted in the Right channel by way of the M/Ss stereo decoder.  That diffuses and spreads out the single rear-facing mic channel content, effectively "stereoizing" it.  Thats useful but not perfect because polarity inversion of the single rear-facing omni routed to the Right channel causes some low frequency cancellation on the Right and reinforcement on the Left, but its pretty effective in terms of producing a richer stereo image with a greatly improved sensation of the fore/aft depth dimension.  Its effective and works well enough as long as not too much Back channel content is needed.  To do it correctly I instead import the files into an audio editor and use a VST phase-manipulation plugin prior to the polarity inversion of the Back channel.  That plugin allows for making any arbitrary phase rotation across the entire audible frequency range.  Choosing a 90 degree rotation of phase, in combination with a polarity flip on the copy routed to the Right produces a symmetrical 180 degree phase shift between Left and Right channels, that actually consists of a +90 degree phase shift routed Left and a -90 degree phase shift routed Right.  And keeps all low frequency cancellation/reinforcement symmetrical across both channels in addition to keeping the higher-frequency phase interaction symmetrical as well.  Sometimes different phase rotations (symmetrical or not, making them fully cancelling or not when collapsed to mono) can be used to advantage when dealing with off-center low frequency content.  Whatever works out best.

I'm pleased the files play as a 4-ch recording in the R44, even though the two files are slightly different length.  With the rear channel muted (ratio set to 100% Mid / 0% Side) its the a straight 3-channel L/C/R input mixed down to 2-ch stereo output.  Listening carefully I could detect a slight flanging like delay during the applause.  The slight delay isn't obviously notable during the music, although improvement after full alignment might make it so. That slight delay indicates to me that the starting points of the two files are very close yet are not identical in time like they would be if recorded to a single 4-channel recorder.    More critically, the slight miss-alignment does not seem to drift or change over the course of the recording. So..

My initial conclusion is that aligning the files in an editor by way of their shared timecode frame values, rather than simply aligning the start of the files, may be all that is required to fully sync files recorded across multiple PR2s which are being controlled by the same phone app.. But even if not, because there seemed to be no or at lease very minimal drift, the two files should at least remain phase-locked after a manual alignment of the two files been performed.

Will update again after getting them into an editor and aligning via timecode values..
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Re: Deity PR-2 Pocket Recorder
« Reply #599 on: November 11, 2025, 01:59:20 PM »
TRY THIS ONE COOL TRICK


That's really really clever. Kudos

 

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