Topic: Mentor Call For Help

[vanark]

One piece of advice...I would cut up your show in to individual tracks, it makes it much easier to find a specific song and in general is more convenient. I use CD Wave Editor, it's probably the simplest and quickest tool out there for this, and it's free as well.

http://www.milosoftware.com/en/index.php?body=download.php

I tried that already... Was basically told, "no thank you."

https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=202770.msg2415241#msg2415241

[capnhook]

One piece of advice...I would cut up your show in to individual tracks, it makes it much easier to find a specific song and in general is more convenient. I use CD Wave Editor, it's probably the simplest and quickest tool out there for this, and it's free as well.

http://www.milosoftware.com/en/index.php?body=download.php

I tried that already... Was basically told, "no thank you."

https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=202770.msg2415241#msg2415241

Oh oh, one of those "one-track and done" dudes...

[AbbyTaper]

One piece of advice...I would cut up your show in to individual tracks, it makes it much easier to find a specific song and in general is more convenient. I use CD Wave Editor, it's probably the simplest and quickest tool out there for this, and it's free as well.

http://www.milosoftware.com/en/index.php?body=download.php

I tried that already... Was basically told, "no thank you."

https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=202770.msg2415241#msg2415241

His excuse is pretty lame.  Maybe it should be made a requirement for uploading?

[vanark]

I am not suggesting the LMA make it a requirement. But, I certainly would prefer for my own listening to have it split into tracks. VOL has clearly come down on a different side.

[Dan33185]

One piece of advice...I would cut up your show in to individual tracks, it makes it much easier to find a specific song and in general is more convenient. I use CD Wave Editor, it's probably the simplest and quickest tool out there for this, and it's free as well.

http://www.milosoftware.com/en/index.php?body=download.php

I tried that already... Was basically told, "no thank you."

https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=202770.msg2415241#msg2415241

Guess I missed that...I guess to each their own, to me personally though, it just seems like lack of effort, and when I come across those "1 track" recordings, I have a hard time giving any time to it because the recorder barely gave any time to it either.

[AbbyTaper]

Exactly, Dan.  I know it often takes time to get the titles, but I feel like I have let people down if I list a song as "Unknown".  I may be more anal than most, though.

[Gutbucket]

Biting the hand that feeds is more lame.  How about thankfulness for having it made available at all.  Sure tracked out is nice, friendly suggestions to do so are fine, and suggestions that include how to go about it are great, but in the end it's mostly a more convenient / nice to have thing, particularly when the alternative being suggested is to ban untracked uploads.  ]

Make the effort, sure, but deprive the folks that want to hear it regardless, no.

 

[nulldogmas]

I am not suggesting the LMA make it a requirement. But, I certainly would prefer for my own listening to have it split into tracks. VOL has clearly come down on a different side.

I would personally prefer tracked recordings even if the track names are just Track 1, Track 2, etc. At least then I can still skip ahead a song if i want, and can easily enough add track names myself later. (Whereas splitting into tracks later is a huge pain.)

[Gutbucket]

Sure but..
A personal choice to not listen for whatever reason is, well, personal and requires no justification.  A call for a policy change that effects all listeners is the total opposite.  What motivated me to post in defense of VOF's choice has nothing to do with my own personal preference (track it!), and everything to do with the overly quick conflation of those two very different approaches.  Be careful what you wish for.  Kudo's to all of those who make an extended effort at completion.

[capnhook]

Sure but..
A personal choice to not listen for whatever reason is, well, personal and requires no justification.  A call for a policy change that effects all listeners is the total opposite.  What motivated me to post in defense of VOF's choice has nothing to do with my own personal preference (track it!), and everything to do with the overly quick conflation of those two very different approaches.  Be careful what you wish for.  Kudo's to all of those who make an extended effort at completion.

Turn it down a notch Lee


Have not seen any of your recordings lately, tracked or not

[Gutbucket]

Touché. You have a valid point there Kev.. except it essentially emphasizes the one I'm making.  Would you rather he not upload at all?

Thank you for all you do Kevin, you are one of the best.  Just emailed vanark to say the same to him personally and express my hope that my posts above weren't interpreted as being at counter to the super admirable efforts he makes everyday in supporting the smooth running of LMA.

Forgive me AbbyT, no offence meant.  It's been a tough day out in the shop this morning and my pressure is a bit high. Wasn't my intent to unload my frustrations on you.

[if_then_else]

Maybe an idea for a compromise: I have had cases in the past where a friend had problems with "skips" when playing back tracks compressed with Samplitude's FLAC export feature. Or I have sent recordings to bands who then removed parts of the recording or changed the beginnings of some tracks. In these cases, it has proved useful for me to send a single wav or FLAC file and include a CUE sheet. This gives the recipient the option of splitting the tracks themselves at the same points as me or defining their own track boundaries.

[todd e]

well im sure it's less popular viewpoint, but i also wont bother often with the one-track shows.  i've tried to teach and to coach other tapers into taking the additional 2-3hrs to track out a show or add song names, afterall the taper plans on it being released to the world, why not make it the best it can be?? 

i dont understand the rush to get imperfect recording out, but this issue has existed since bit-torrents and instagratification - why i always give a few listens before posting shows.
i've been doing it for 20+ years and am simply not phased by missing a recording that is half-baked...

[AbbyTaper]

Forgive me AbbyT, no offence meant.  It's been a tough day out in the shop this morning and my pressure is a bit high. Wasn't my intent to unload my frustrations on you.

No big deal.  I literally spend 4-6 hours every day mastering other people's recordings, and a big part of that time is spent on tracking and finding song titles.  Just pisses me off a little where a guy gets praise for basically making no effort and offering up a lame excuse for it.  A lot of the bands and artists I get to work on are unknown to me.  Half the fun is the challenge of getting the titles of those unknown songs, and especially obscure covers.

[aaronji]

^ That's a heck of a lot easier than it used to be! Usually, with the band name and one intelligible phrase, I can find the song title pretty easily. Purely instrumental music, especially by prolific artists and/or those that like to re-arrange their songs frequently (jazz or jam, for example), can be brutal...

My 2¢ on the tracking issue is that I kind of go both directions. I agree with Gutbucket that it is better posted than not. At the same time, I am with todd e in the sense that I will rarely download an untracked recording. It has to be something I REALLY want, such as a show I attended for which I don't have a recording. Maybe something historic. I would be unlikely to check out a new artist if I couldn't skip easily from tune to tune.