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Re: New Compact Tascam 32bit float recorder coming soon: "FR-AV2"?
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2024, 03:42:48 AM »
It seems it doesn’t come with BT functionality built in.

$59
For the module.
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Re: New Compact Tascam 32bit float recorder coming soon: "FR-AV2"?
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2024, 03:49:21 AM »
It seems it doesn’t come with BT functionality built in.

So a similar strategy in that aspect as the Zoom F3...
I am really curious about the size and form factor and if it would be any good for  >:D usage. It clearly isn't the intended market of this device, so it seems there's still no affordable really small 32-bit float multi-adc stereo recorder yet...
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Re: New Compact Tascam 32bit float recorder coming soon: "FR-AV2"?
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2024, 10:20:41 AM »
It seems it doesn’t come with BT functionality built in.

So a similar strategy in that aspect as the Zoom F3...
I am really curious about the size and form factor and if it would be any good for  >:D usage. It clearly isn't the intended market of this device, so it seems there's still no affordable really small 32-bit float multi-adc stereo recorder yet...

Zoom H1 Essential

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Re: New Compact Tascam 32bit float recorder coming soon: "FR-AV2"?
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2024, 11:10:38 AM »
Zoom H1 Essential
I'm not very fond of the Essential's noisy preamps, 'cause I will be taping stuff with high dynamics that need dynamic processing to make it a pleasant listening experience. I don't want relatively silent parts to get too noisy after amplification. H1XLR will likely be a bit better than H1 Essential, F3 is certainly better but clumsy shape for  >:D. New Tascam input quality/shape/size unknown yet.
My ideal recorder seems to be an F2 form factor with F3-quality input and stereo 32-bit float... One should keep on dreaming, right?
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Re: New Compact Tascam 32bit float recorder coming soon: "FR-AV2"?
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2024, 01:04:19 PM »
Zoom H1 Essential
I'm not very fond of the Essential's noisy preamps, 'cause I will be taping stuff with high dynamics that need dynamic processing to make it a pleasant listening experience. I don't want relatively silent parts to get too noisy after amplification. H1XLR will likely be a bit better than H1 Essential, F3 is certainly better but clumsy shape for  >:D. New Tascam input quality/shape/size unknown yet.
My ideal recorder seems to be an F2 form factor with F3-quality input and stereo 32-bit float... One should keep on dreaming, right?

Do you find the F3 clumsy for stealth? I find my CA-11s > Zoom F3 rig less conspicuous than CA-11s (on croakies) > preamp (with a belt clip) > Zoom H1 (in my front pocket). I just turn the F3 on and put it in my back pocket.
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Re: New Compact Tascam 32bit float recorder coming soon: "FR-AV2"?
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2024, 02:15:25 PM »
Do you find the F3 clumsy for stealth? I find my CA-11s > Zoom F3 rig less conspicuous than CA-11s (on croakies) > preamp (with a belt clip) > Zoom H1 (in my front pocket). I just turn the F3 on and put it in my back pocket.

Maybe my problem is that I just fairly recently started looking for a replacement recorder and found the F2 and the (then upcoming) Deity PR-2 (when everybody still expected it to be stereo). Both of them seem to be sized perfectly tiny but have other issues that disqualifies them for me (mono). Quality-wise the F3 seems perfect. But I don't need XLR and certainly compared to F2 and PR-2 it's oddly formed. I must confess: I've never hold an F3 in my hands yet. What I did do is building a Lego block with the size of an F3 and it made me realize I very likely won't be able to get it into stricter venues the way I usually do. But then again: I also realize that security seems be less strict than in the past, so it will likely still be possible to get it in anyway.
I guess my current line of candidates is:
1. F3 (despite it's form factor)
2. H1XLR (for lower price and hopefully good enough quality, pending proper reviews)

A new candidate could be the upcoming Tascam FR-AV2, pending combination of specs, size and prize. Not sure where that will land in my list of candidates.
The good thing is that I'm not in a hurry. I don't tape that often and my next gig is either in February or March next year...

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Re: New Compact Tascam 32bit float recorder coming soon: "FR-AV2"?
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2024, 04:21:47 PM »
Do you find the F3 clumsy for stealth? I find my CA-11s > Zoom F3 rig less conspicuous than CA-11s (on croakies) > preamp (with a belt clip) > Zoom H1 (in my front pocket). I just turn the F3 on and put it in my back pocket.

Maybe my problem is that I just fairly recently started looking for a replacement recorder and found the F2 and the (then upcoming) Deity PR-2 (when everybody still expected it to be stereo). Both of them seem to be sized perfectly tiny but have other issues that disqualifies them for me (mono). Quality-wise the F3 seems perfect. But I don't need XLR and certainly compared to F2 and PR-2 it's oddly formed. I must confess: I've never hold an F3 in my hands yet. What I did do is building a Lego block with the size of an F3 and it made me realize I very likely won't be able to get it into stricter venues the way I usually do. But then again: I also realize that security seems be less strict than in the past, so it will likely still be possible to get it in anyway.
I guess my current line of candidates is:
1. F3 (despite it's form factor)
2. H1XLR (for lower price and hopefully good enough quality, pending proper reviews)

A new candidate could be the upcoming Tascam FR-AV2, pending combination of specs, size and prize. Not sure where that will land in my list of candidates.
The good thing is that I'm not in a hurry. I don't tape that often and my next gig is either in February or March next year...

In the UK, at clubs and academy-type venues, I've always placed my recorder + preamp in my backpack's smaller front pocket (the mics go in my spare glasses case). When it's my turn to be searched, I walk up to security with the main backpack compartment wide open - and they are always happy to take a look and leave it at that. No one's ever asked to search the smaller pockets.

At theatres, you don't even get searched most of the time.

I've never taped any arena or stadium shows in the UK, but I've brought stealth gear to festivals twice. The first time, they only searched the large pocket. The second time, they were a bit more thorough, but they failed to spot the F3 behind a sandwich.

I've only been to two shows in the US, both in 2016: Pitchfork Festival in Chicago, and Sufjan Stevens at Red Rocks. The guy at Pitchfork was very thorough and found my pre-amp and zoom H1 (he didn't care and let me in). I was not searched at Red Rocks.

Tldr; I've only ever had issues with cameras before. No one really cares about audio gear (though again, I've never tried taping in arenas or stadiums).
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Re: New Compact Tascam 32bit float recorder coming soon: "FR-AV2"?
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2024, 01:41:23 AM »
In the UK...
Thanks a lot Rairun for describing your ways and the current security status in the UK. It doesn't seem to be very different from the status in my part of the world. It does make me feel more confident regarding getting the F3.
As my mics have a battery box and end in 3.5mm mini-jack, and I'm not in a hurry, I think I will wait regardless for what the H1XLR and FR-AV2 will bring. As the F3 doesn't have mini-jack input, I would have to get/make stereo mini-jack to XLR converters. (I won't need phantom-to-pip conversion due to the battery box. Probably a nice question for the 'cables section' when time is right.) These converters won't be necessary with the H1XLR as it already has 3.5mm input. We don't know yet about the FR-AV2...

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Re: New Compact Tascam 32bit float recorder coming soon: "FR-AV2"?
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2024, 09:54:49 AM »
Do you find the F3 clumsy for stealth? I find my CA-11s > Zoom F3 rig less conspicuous than CA-11s (on croakies) > preamp (with a belt clip) > Zoom H1 (in my front pocket). I just turn the F3 on and put it in my back pocket.

Apologies if this is getting too off topic, but what do you use in between the CA-11s (which have a 1/8" plug, right?) and the F3? Do you have a preferred 1/8" > XLR adapter? Thanks!

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Re: New Compact Tascam 32bit float recorder coming soon: "FR-AV2"?
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2024, 10:22:11 AM »
Do you find the F3 clumsy for stealth? I find my CA-11s > Zoom F3 rig less conspicuous than CA-11s (on croakies) > preamp (with a belt clip) > Zoom H1 (in my front pocket). I just turn the F3 on and put it in my back pocket.

Apologies if this is getting too off topic, but what do you use in between the CA-11s (which have a 1/8" plug, right?) and the F3? Do you have a preferred 1/8" > XLR adapter? Thanks!

I use these: https://store.lom.audio/products/usi-phantom-adapter?variant=4542168629280

They convert 24-48V phantom power into 8V PiP. I set the F3 to 24V, and that gives me 6 or 7h of battery life.

Thanks a lot Rairun for describing your ways and the current security status in the UK. It doesn't seem to be very different from the status in my part of the world. It does make me feel more confident regarding getting the F3.
As my mics have a battery box and end in 3.5mm mini-jack, and I'm not in a hurry, I think I will wait regardless for what the H1XLR and FR-AV2 will bring. As the F3 doesn't have mini-jack input, I would have to get/make stereo mini-jack to XLR converters. (I won't need phantom-to-pip conversion due to the battery box. Probably a nice question for the 'cables section' when time is right.) These converters won't be necessary with the H1XLR as it already has 3.5mm input. We don't know yet about the FR-AV2...

No worries! I wrote the post because I had many of the same worries as you before buying the F3 - not so much about being able to stealth successfully, but about how much more cumbersome the rig would be. I didn't feel the F3's size was a problem, but I did worry about the converters protruding out of it, so I held out for the Deity for a long time.

When the Deity turned out not to be a sound quality upgrade, I ended up just ordering the F3, and I don't regret it. I do think it would be cumbersome to have a set of adapters + a battery box, though - I mean, realistically it would be fine, I could make do, but what I like the most about my rig is how simple it is compared to using a pre-amp/battery box in the middle. Because of the locking XLR connector, for practical purposes, the adapter becomes part of the F3 (no danger of pulling at it and unplugging it). So you have a unit that you can stuff in your back pocket, and a single point of failure.
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Re: New Compact Tascam 32bit float recorder coming soon: "FR-AV2"?
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2024, 10:38:52 AM »
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anyone care to translate...
https://scsound.dk/shop/23-haandholdt-recorder/23248-tascam-2-kanals-audio-recorder/

The specs are in English!

It looks very promising, tbh. If the pre-amp turns out to be as quiet as the F3's (and it appears to be: EIN of 127 dBu), I would choose it over the F3. The 3.5mm input provides up to 5V, so you wouldn't need a battery box nor a phantom adapter for a lot of small mics.
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Re: New Compact Tascam 32bit float recorder coming soon: "FR-AV2"?
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2024, 10:59:24 AM »
It looks very promising, tbh. If the pre-amp turns out to be as quiet as the F3's (and it appears to be: EIN of 127 dBu), I would choose it over the F3. The 3.5mm input provides up to 5V, so you wouldn't need a battery box nor a phantom adapter for a lot of small mics.
:yahoo: Very promissing indeed! And despite the 3 AA batteries, the size seems a bit smaller than F3 (with the metal legs around it).

Some remarkable things:
XLR: +4 dBu max
TRS: +24 dBu max
So no switch or setting to choose line or mic in but hard-wired.
And there seems to be 'gain adjustment range' of 50dB. I assume that will be for 24bit only...

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Re: New Compact Tascam 32bit float recorder coming soon: "FR-AV2"?
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2024, 11:11:14 AM »
BACK ON TOPIC
anyone care to translate...
https://scsound.dk/shop/23-haandholdt-recorder/23248-tascam-2-kanals-audio-recorder/

The specs are in English!

It looks very promising, tbh. If the pre-amp turns out to be as quiet as the F3's (and it appears to be: EIN of 127 dBu), I would choose it over the F3. The 3.5mm input provides up to 5V, so you wouldn't need a battery box nor a phantom adapter for a lot of small mics.



Professional 2-channel audio recorder with dual AD converters, sampling rates up to 192 kHz, resolution up to 32-bit float
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Adjustable input delay to compensate for distance between microphones (0–300 ms)
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Recording media
microSD (64 MB – 2 GB)
microSDHC (4–32 GB)
microSDXC (48–512 GB)
Recording/playback format
WAV (BWF)
Sampling frequency
48 kHz, 96 kHz, 192 kHz
Quantization bit depth
24 bit, 32 bit float
Input channels
2
Maximum number of recordable tracks
2
Analogue audio inputs and outputs
Microphone input (balanced)
XLR-3-31 (1: GND, 2: HOT, 3: COLD)
Maximum input level
+4 dBu
Minimum input level
–76 dBu
Gain adjustment range
0–50 dB
Input impedance
≥2 kΩ
Phantom power
24 V, 48 V
Line input (balanced)
6.3-mm standard TRS jacks
(Tip = HOT, Ring = COLD, Sleeve = GND)
Maximum input level
+24 dBu
Nominal input level
+4 dBu (GAIN at minimum)
Input impedance
≥8 kΩ
Line/timecode input (unbalanced)
3.5-mm stereo mini jack
Maximum input level
1 dBV
Nominal input level
–19 dBV (GAIN at minimum)
Minimum input level
–79 dBV
Input Impedance
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≥1.6 kΩ (plug-in power on)
Plug-in power
2.5 V, 5 V
Analogue audio outputs
Line/timecode output (unbalanced)
3.5-mm stereo mini jack
Maximum output level
+6 dBV
Nominal output level
–14 dBV
Output impedance
210 Ω
Headphones output
3.5-mm stereo mini jack
Maximum output power
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Recommended headphones impedance
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Sampling frequency
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24 bit, 32 bit float
Number of inputs/outputs
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Timecode input/output
Timecode input
3.5-mm stereo mini jack
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Input impedance
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Signal level range
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Timecode output
3.5-mm stereo mini jack
LTC selected
Terminal assignment
Tip: Timecode, Ring: Not used, Sleeve: GND
Output impedance
600 Ω
Output level
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MIC LEVEL selected
Terminal assignment
Tip: Timecode, Ring: right channel, Sleeve: GND
Output impedance
110 Ω
Output level
40 mVpp
Audio performance
EIN (equivalent input noise, mic preamp)
≤–127 dBu
Frequency response (input jacks to PCM data)
48 kHz: 20 Hz – 20 kHz, +0 dB / –0.5 dB
96 kHz: 20 Hz – 40 kHz, +0.5 dB / –1 dB
192 kHz: 20 Hz – 60 kHz, +0.5 dB / –3 dB
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Alkaline battery (Evolta)
09:00
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04:30
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NiMH battery (Eneloop)
08:30
Phantom power off, 24-bit resolution
05:30
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15:00
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USB bus power
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195 g (without batteries)
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Re: New Compact Tascam 32bit float recorder coming soon: "FR-AV2"?
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2024, 11:36:54 AM »
Apologies if this is getting too off topic, but what do you use in between the CA-11s (which have a 1/8" plug, right?) and the F3? Do you have a preferred 1/8" > XLR adapter? Thanks!

I use these: https://store.lom.audio/products/usi-phantom-adapter?variant=4542168629280

They convert 24-48V phantom power into 8V PiP. I set the F3 to 24V, and that gives me 6 or 7h of battery life.

Thank you  :coolguy:

 

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