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Re: Tascam FR-AV2 new compact 32bit float recorder.
« Reply #420 on: October 13, 2025, 02:00:32 AM »
Roland Harris has a very interesting test of the FR-AV2 compared with the SD MixPre 3 (v.1) and SD 788T.

https://drbadphil.com/dual-adc-and-32-bit-float-tests-with-the-tascam-fr-av2-with-comparisons-to-the-sound-devices-24-bit-mixpre-3-and-788t

The lack of noise on the quiet MixPre 3 (v1) recording when lifted 70db in post is very impressive.
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Re: Tascam FR-AV2 new compact 32bit float recorder.
« Reply #421 on: October 14, 2025, 04:44:37 PM »
Great Article. Aside from the topic of dual switching ADCs with 32 bit float, I was reminded how proper gain staging between microphones and mic preamps is still one of the most important considerations when matching gear for a signal chain, regardless of the final capture method. The math has been around since the days of analog tape, and there are x/y type charts available online to make it easy. You just need to know the sensitivity, self noise, and max SPL of the microphone being considered. Then you need to know the preamp's max input capacity and it EIN rating.

He mentions a Sennheiser shotgun with a sensitivity of -24dbu, and I found it's max sound pressure is 129db.

With a mic that sensitive and a preamp with max input of +4 dbV, the preamp will overload before the max sound pressure of the mic is reached, but not until your source is 120db.

Based on this, I see almost no way the overload point of the mic inputs could be realistically reached with the mics we use for recording music with average sensitivity specs in the -36 to -40 range, not out putting +4dbV to the input of the preamp until they are subjected to 134db to 138db of sound pressure.

I assume we all know the dynamic range of a microphone is the max sound pressure, minus the self noise. Reading the article, I was reminded how the effective audible noise fron the mic to the preamp is impacted by mic sensitivity. Going back to the mk4/cmc6, even though the self noise is 14db, with -36 db sensitivity the effective noise level (what you can actually measure) is down to -116 db at 1 pascal. Pretty darn quiet I think.





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Re: Tascam FR-AV2 new compact 32bit float recorder.
« Reply #422 on: October 15, 2025, 06:13:41 PM »
The lack of noise on the quiet MixPre 3 (v1) recording when lifted 70db in post is very impressive.

Probably because the first generation MixPre's do the whole dual ADC trick, but don't save it in a 32-bit floating point format.
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Re: Tascam FR-AV2 new compact 32bit float recorder.
« Reply #423 on: October 16, 2025, 10:49:50 AM »
The lack of noise on the quiet MixPre 3 (v1) recording when lifted 70db in post is very impressive.

Probably because the first generation MixPre's do the whole dual ADC trick, but don't save it in a 32-bit floating point format.
Saving the output as 32-bit float (instead of 24bit) won't affect the SNR at all, so this has nothing to do with it.

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Re: Tascam FR-AV2 new compact 32bit float recorder.
« Reply #424 on: October 16, 2025, 10:52:49 AM »
The lack of noise on the quiet MixPre 3 (v1) recording when lifted 70db in post is very impressive.

Probably because the first generation MixPre's do the whole dual ADC trick, but don't save it in a 32-bit floating point format.
Saving the output as 32-bit float (instead of 24bit) won't affect the SNR at all, so this has nothing to do with it.

The dual adc is what enables the lower SNR, regardless of format used for the container.  So the 24 bit mixpre gets all the benefits, without the buzzwords. 
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Re: Tascam FR-AV2 new compact 32bit float recorder.
« Reply #425 on: October 16, 2025, 11:31:49 AM »
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