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Re: Zoom’s 32-bit float m/s - Instamic Pro Plus C
« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2025, 03:12:39 PM »
I still need to listen.. made with them inside the pockets through the hat fabric?

Vs. clipped on outside the pocket?
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Re: Zoom’s 32-bit float m/s - Instamic Pro Plus C
« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2025, 04:08:26 PM »
For stealth mode, I'm going to use double sided tape and put it on top of my bald head and wear a cap.  :laugh:

LOL. Many years ago I taped a Bright Eyes show with a Sony stereo mic velcro taped to the top of my cap. I got a few weird looks but other than that no worries - until I really had to pee so I asked the Mom in front of me with a baby in a sling carrier if I could put the hat on the sleeping baby for a song while I ran to the portalet. She was fine with it so a baby taped a song for me with my MD tucked into it's blanket.  :D

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Re: Zoom’s 32-bit float m/s - Instamic Pro Plus C
« Reply #47 on: October 17, 2025, 04:58:48 PM »
^ That's taper gold!

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Re: Zoom’s 32-bit float m/s - Instamic Pro Plus C
« Reply #48 on: October 17, 2025, 06:19:28 PM »
I still need to listen.. made with them inside the pockets through the hat fabric?

Vs. clipped on outside the pocket?

That's my understanding of Brad's post.

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Re: Zoom’s 32-bit float m/s - Instamic Pro Plus C
« Reply #49 on: October 17, 2025, 06:38:39 PM »
Yes, I slide them back towards the rear part of the pocket where it narrows enough to keep them in place, that's it. The pocket is fine mesh, you can see through it when you look out from inside, but against the hat zipped up, nothing but black. They poke out a little, but when you slide them all the way back they aren't noticable unless you are looking for them. The front of each mic with the 4 holes for MEMS sits almost directly over the center of my ears. Perfect really.
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Re: Zoom’s 32-bit float m/s - Instamic Pro Plus C
« Reply #50 on: October 17, 2025, 06:41:46 PM »
I can't believe I'm giving away all my secrets, lol. Actually glad to have worked some of this out for you guys so you can jump right in.
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Re: Zoom’s 32-bit float m/s - Instamic Pro Plus C
« Reply #51 on: October 17, 2025, 06:49:02 PM »
Next I will share how I use these for open taping outside. For late June and July shows where its hot, humid, and can rain suddenly, these guys are great, and guilt free. No more exposing my regular mics to that crap ever again.
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Re: Zoom’s 32-bit float m/s - Instamic Pro Plus C
« Reply #52 on: October 18, 2025, 06:33:54 PM »
The most recent example I posted in another thread of my wireless mic stereo recordings (for video) was made with the mics completely inside the baseball cap ($4 in my case!), and the HF is fine with a little boost in editing.  Previously I used the mics kind of peeking out from the edge of the cap, but when fully inside it does seem to help a lot with wind noise.  And total invisibility.  I guess the Instamics are too big to do exactly, that but the cap with pockets is a neat trick - seems not available from their Australian store though.

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Re: Zoom’s 32-bit float m/s - Instamic Pro Plus C
« Reply #53 on: October 20, 2025, 01:35:29 AM »
Nice. I would buy one if it also had a 3.5mm jack.  Would be like a DJI Mic 2 with better built in mics.

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Re: Zoom’s 32-bit float m/s - Instamic Pro Plus C
« Reply #54 on: October 20, 2025, 10:33:15 AM »
^ Was thinking a lot about that myself over the weekend, as I'm strongly considering picking up four to re-implement my former four-channel baffled-omni LRCB stealth setup, and also use them as plant/spot mics on stage or wherever.  So much going for them, particularly the ability to implement some of my multichannel setups without wires.  The basic requirements all seem satisfied, and Datbrad's recordings sound good and promising.. but I'm left wondering if I'll be happy moving away from the highly capable DPA miniature omnis I've grown very familiar with, like the sound of, know how to manage, and have successfully used for for demanding applications ranging from high SPL PA-reinforced concerts to very quiet acoustic stuff to highly dynamic orchestral performances.  That's the bar to beat, or at least get sufficiently close to equaling.  In terms of end results, the built-in MEMS mics seem to be the only significant potential step backwards.  Can I live with that?  A rhetorical question of at this point.   Wish I could put a 4060 in it [edit- feeding a CA-UGLY preamp].

Would like to hear samples in stereo M/S mode, yet at this point those have been hard to find.  Buying four will make for a significant investment, so I'm hesitating.  Could pick up just three of the stereo version initially I suppose.

Alternately, I may first grab a second Deity PR2 since I already have the mics and adapters to feed it and would really like to re-implement my LRCB setup for something coming up in early November.

An external mic input is harder to handle due to the need for powering, the differing specs of different external mics, less watertightness via the connector and all that.  I get the design choice. Keeping it a closed system makes good of sense in many ways.  Just wish it had a 4060 equivalent in there.   ..and a flatter housing but can live with that.
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Re: Zoom’s 32-bit float m/s - Instamic Pro Plus C
« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2025, 05:46:10 PM »
I’ve read through the thread twice, so I wanted to make sure I understood what this is.
-an omni mic+32-bit float recorder+internal battery unit that comes in mono only and mono/stereo versions. The stereo version has M/S capabilities.

Questions for users.
Any experience with metal detectors?
Is blumlein a possibility with a second unit?
Is simple audio software (Audacity, etc.) all that’s needed to process?
I am running iOS 18.6.2, and my phone isn't upgradable to iOS 26. Potential issue down the line?
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Re: Zoom’s 32-bit float m/s - Instamic Pro Plus C
« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2025, 08:44:10 AM »
Is blumlein a possibility with a second unit?

I don't know, but if someone tries it I'd be interested in hearing a how it sounds.

Is simple audio software (Audacity, etc.) all that’s needed to process?

Yes, after copying the recorded files to my laptop I just import each track into Audacity, join them into stereo, then I can do whatever post work is needed.

Any experience with metal detectors?

Yes, I've carried a pair through detectors in my pants pocket, top left shirt pocket, and already setup in the hat that I'm wearing on my head. No issues.

I am running iOS 18.6.2, and my phone isn't upgradable to iOS 26. Potential issue down the line?

Don't know, but I understand the Instamic app that you need to remote control them is available in both Android and iOS versions.
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Re: Zoom’s 32-bit float m/s - Instamic Pro Plus C
« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2025, 11:14:21 AM »
Is blumlein a possibility with a second unit?

Potentially, using just the Side channel of two stereo units, one laid atop the other and turned 90 degrees.  Not sure how well that will work in practice for a few reasons:

1) Side channel doesn't use multiple MEMS in parallel to reduce noise / increase dynamic range like the primary Mid/mono channel does, so its spec's are not as good as the primary channel.
2) I wonder what the fig-8 polars look like.  There is some spacing between the Side channel elements.. and its seems it is formed using omni MEMS (see TS technical discussion about creating a fig-8 pattern using two omnis here- https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=207169.msg2426801#msg2426801).   It may share some similar polar attributes with the fig-8 patterns achieved by the Octava MK-12 and the Naiant X-8, both of which use back to back elements that are similarly spaced apart somewhat, except those use cardioids rather than omnis.

My suspicion is that the Side channel polars and other Side channel specs of the Instamic are good enough for effectively "stereoizing" the primary Mid channel, but whether the side channel is sufficiently good for use as a primary channel in a Blumlein array remains open to question.  I've only found one or two brief examples of the stereo output from one of these units so far, which sounded promising yet insufficient for making any definite conclusion.  For years I used Naiant X-8 as Side channel and was happy with it in that role.  I have two of them but have only employed them as Side channels, never tried Blumlein.  The spacing between the capsules of the X-8 does appear to be tighter than the OMK-12, and the Instamic spacing may be somewhat tighter still, but would need to measure to confirm.. and there's the whole fig-8 from a pair of omnis thing on top of that.

3) Tolerance of the clock sync between units.  The two fig-8 stereo channels will be recorded to two separate devices.  Datbrad's use of two mono units in stereo proves the clock tolerance sufficient for achieving good spaced / baffled omni stereo, but that's less demanding in terms of absolute clock-sync than a coincident stereo arrangement where phase needs to be closely matched and maintained between the two channels.  Easy to achieve in a single unit doing stereo, sharing the same clock.


If it does work well enough, the two omni (Mid) channels come along for the ride and may be very useful..

1) Although not true Blumlein, mixing some low-passed omni in should extend low frequency response.  In that case, the stereo pattern below the low-pass threshold will become increasingly X/Y cardioid-like.
2) Even simpler, if not low-passed, inclusion of some omni Mid channel(s) should alter the pattern across the full spectrum, pushing it from fig-8 to something further along the continuum extending from fig-8 through cardioid to omni.  What pattern you end up with depends on the how much omni gets included.  This is a horizontal-only "native ambisonic array" achieved by way of two coincident fig-8s + omni, rather than a typical ambisonic mic using a tetrahedral arrangement of cardioids. That may sound complicated but wouldn't be in use.  If it works, simply mixing in a touch of omni would shift the pattern from X/Y fig-8s to X/Y supercards.. a bit more more X/Y cardioids.  More still will shift toward X/Y subcards and on toward X/Y omnis, so there is a limit of adjustability, but unlike two-channel Mid/Side the X/Y angle will not be altered along with pattern.

tl;dr- If any one does try a pair of these in Blumlein, try mixing in some of the omni Mid channels to taste.

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Re: Zoom’s 32-bit float m/s - Instamic Pro Plus C
« Reply #58 on: Today at 10:55:33 AM »
Just discovered this.  Have a show on Monday that would be perfect to try this thing out but can't find one at short notice in Canada. :(

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Re: Zoom’s 32-bit float m/s - Instamic Pro Plus C
« Reply #59 on: Today at 01:17:52 PM »
   I just took my stereo version for a test run last night. Contrary to what the website leads one to believe
the stereo unit will will run at a maximum sampling rate of 48 kHz and a maximum 24 bit depth when
running in stereo mode. In mono mode only it can run at 32/96. This fact is only hinted in the specification
section on the on the website where they show varying run times in different configurations. I emailed the
company to say that nowhere on the website did they explicitly state that it only ran at a max of 48 kHz
and 24 bit in stereo mode. Their return email stated that I should have known this since it was inferred
in the run time section of the specs. I feel this is somewhat deceptive considering that they are touting
the joys of 32 bit recording on both the Zoom and Instamic websites.
   All of that said, this tiny unit is pretty incredible. As someone who used to lug cassette recorders with
D cell batteries, associated cables etc. and then dat recorders, preamps, a/d converters et al; this
thing is a modern feat of miniaturization. For what it is it sounds damn good. I also ran an m/s set of
Schoeps plugged into a Tascam fr-av2. Did the tiny unit sound as good? Of course not but nor did it sound bad.
For a discreet little "run and gun" it is the ultimate little unit that I have used. I can envision just setting it on the
front table at a small club and being completely undetectable. The led lights can be turned off once recording is
started via the app. Operation via the app is a little wiggy but once it starts recording it stays that way. I would
expect a firmware update or two. The frequency range sounds full from the bass all the way to the highest
frequencies of the fiddle with no obvious self noise (I recorded a bluegrass band last night).
   In summary I feel that it well worth the $200 that I paid. My greatest fear is losing the tiny little thing.
I marvel at the advances that have been made in my 45+ years of location recording.
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