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Split cardioid's?
« on: March 23, 2005, 04:45:00 PM »
Any history/recommendations/use/ideas/experience on this? I have a 24" split bar for my AT's. Pro's and con's? Thanks....
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Re: Split cardioid's?
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2005, 04:50:52 PM »
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Re: Split cardioid's?
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2005, 04:54:41 PM »
Well, I tried it the other night -- on-stage -- and had horrible bass response... but I believe that was waaaay more due to the band and music, as opposed to the setup. Basically, I'm now questioning my entire taping existence. ;D
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Re: Split cardioid's?
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2005, 04:56:37 PM »
I've run them split about 9ft, came out good!  There was a bit of the "hole in the middle" thing happnin, but not too bad though.  I prolly wouldn't do it again split that far, but I would def try the split cards again.
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Re: Split cardioid's?
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2005, 05:09:42 PM »
I ran split cardioids at one of the Grateful Dead 1990 Cal Expo shows.
I split them about thirty feet, on either side of the soundboard/lighting area.
It's a weird sounding recording. I never split them like that again.
I'd suggest MUCH less spacing... say 4 feet maybe.
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Re: Split cardioid's?
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2005, 07:29:07 PM »
Scott Brown split cards 15 feet in NYC at the Bowery for the Warren & Friends show back in Feb.  That recording is rediculously good...

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Re: Split cardioid's?
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2005, 07:40:11 PM »
Well, I tried it the other night -- on-stage -- and had horrible bass response... but I believe that was waaaay more due to the band and music, as opposed to the setup. Basically, I'm now questioning my entire taping existence. ;D

did you use any sort of HPF? I find when one is on stage or real close that will help....

on this topic...I leave the splitting to omni's...but give it a try, its fun to experiment
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Re: Split cardioid's?
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2005, 07:45:53 PM »
Well, I tried it the other night -- on-stage -- and had horrible bass response... but I believe that was waaaay more due to the band and music, as opposed to the setup. Basically, I'm now questioning my entire taping existence. ;D

did you use any sort of HPF? I find when one is on stage or real close that will help....

on this topic...I leave the splitting to omni's...but give it a try, its fun to experiment

Well, my AT8533x's have a bass roll-off but I was recording tabla and electronic drums from a few feet away and my stand was positioned within about 8 monitors in a 20 foot space. It's was unnecessarily loud at times and really ambient and quiet at other times. Fareed Haque Group.
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Re: Split cardioid's?
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2005, 08:03:04 PM »
Scott Brown split cards 15 feet in NYC at the Bowery for the Warren & Friends show back in Feb. That recording is rediculously good...
I was gonna just mention this tape! When I was downloading it I thought it was gonna have a HUGE hole, but it sounds quite nice! Maybe thats because in comparison to an arena, it was a small room...
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Re: Split cardioid's?
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2005, 08:40:30 PM »
Here's a thread to a recent split card:

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Re: Split cardioid's?
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2005, 09:52:02 PM »
Well, I tried it the other night -- on-stage -- and had horrible bass response... but I believe that was waaaay more due to the band and music, as opposed to the setup. Basically, I'm now questioning my entire taping existence. ;D

directional mics are subject to the proximity effect... look it up if you don't know it, it's an important concept when taping on stage or up front
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Re: Split cardioid's?
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2005, 09:52:36 PM »
Scott Brown split cards 15 feet in NYC at the Bowery for the Warren & Friends show back in Feb. That recording is rediculously good...

I've heard some that are around 15-20' and they are pretty nice...
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Re: Split cardioid's?
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2005, 10:31:28 PM »
Scott Brown split cards 15 feet in NYC at the Bowery for the Warren & Friends show back in Feb. That recording is rediculously good...
I was gonna just mention this tape! When I was downloading it I thought it was gonna have a HUGE hole, but it sounds quite nice! Maybe thats because in comparison to an arena, it was a small room...

yeah, the bowery is a small room and it really works well there.  in a bigger room, it might start sounding weird.  but hey, you never know until you try it, right? :)

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Re: Split cardioid's?
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2005, 11:00:42 AM »
directional mics are subject to the proximity effect

Proximity effect is the increase in the low-frequency sensitivity of a microphone when the sound source is close to it. This is particularly true of cardioid, directional microphones. To counter that, most high-end directional microphones use a low-frequency roll-off filter to restore the response to its flat, natural balance. Some microphones have a user-selectable switch to control the filter.

I'd buy that... but I've ran on-stage w/ hyper's before and had no problem. I'm going to chalk this one up to "not being completely familiar with my new equipment" and possibly "not using a bass roll-off". Not to mention I don't "shower regularly", nor do I "brush my teeth" or "wash behind my ears".
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Re: Split cardioid's?
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2005, 11:33:28 AM »
Scott Brown split cards 15 feet in NYC at the Bowery for the Warren & Friends show back in Feb.  That recording is rediculously good...

After reading what Scott wrote about split cards at the Bowery w/ it's u shaped balcony., I had to try it at the Tabernacle.  I've never been completely  happy w/ my tapes from there.  I'm glad I tried, best sound so far from that room.  It is different sounding from din but there is definitly no hole in the middle.

 

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