Split cardioid's?

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Any history/recommendations/use/ideas/experience on this? I have a 24" split bar for my AT's. Pro's and con's? Thanks....

[F.O.Bean]

TRY IT!

thats my recomendation

ive heard ghood things, nevertried it myself tho

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Well, I tried it the other night -- on-stage -- and had horrible bass response... but I believe that was waaaay more due to the band and music, as opposed to the setup. Basically, I'm now questioning my entire taping existence.

[Scooter]

I've run them split about 9ft, came out good!  There was a bit of the "hole in the middle" thing happnin, but not too bad though.  I prolly wouldn't do it again split that far, but I would def try the split cards again.

[Chuck]

I ran split cardioids at one of the Grateful Dead 1990 Cal Expo shows.
I split them about thirty feet, on either side of the soundboard/lighting area.
It's a weird sounding recording. I never split them like that again.
I'd suggest MUCH less spacing... say 4 feet maybe.

[wboswell]

Scott Brown split cards 15 feet in NYC at the Bowery for the Warren & Friends show back in Feb.  That recording is rediculously good...

[creekfreak]

Well, I tried it the other night -- on-stage -- and had horrible bass response... but I believe that was waaaay more due to the band and music, as opposed to the setup. Basically, I'm now questioning my entire taping existence.

did you use any sort of HPF? I find when one is on stage or real close that will help....

on this topic...I leave the splitting to omni's...but give it a try, its fun to experiment

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Well, I tried it the other night -- on-stage -- and had horrible bass response... but I believe that was waaaay more due to the band and music, as opposed to the setup. Basically, I'm now questioning my entire taping existence.

did you use any sort of HPF? I find when one is on stage or real close that will help....

on this topic...I leave the splitting to omni's...but give it a try, its fun to experiment

Well, my AT8533x's have a bass roll-off but I was recording tabla and electronic drums from a few feet away and my stand was positioned within about 8 monitors in a 20 foot space. It's was unnecessarily loud at times and really ambient and quiet at other times. Fareed Haque Group.

[Swampy]

Scott Brown split cards 15 feet in NYC at the Bowery for the Warren & Friends show back in Feb. That recording is rediculously good...

I was gonna just mention this tape! When I was downloading it I thought it was gonna have a HUGE hole, but it sounds quite nice! Maybe thats because in comparison to an arena, it was a small room...

[charles]

Here's a thread to a recent split card:

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=12210

[Tim]

Well, I tried it the other night -- on-stage -- and had horrible bass response... but I believe that was waaaay more due to the band and music, as opposed to the setup. Basically, I'm now questioning my entire taping existence.

directional mics are subject to the proximity effect... look it up if you don't know it, it's an important concept when taping on stage or up front

[Tim]

Scott Brown split cards 15 feet in NYC at the Bowery for the Warren & Friends show back in Feb. That recording is rediculously good...

I've heard some that are around 15-20' and they are pretty nice...

[scb]

Scott Brown split cards 15 feet in NYC at the Bowery for the Warren & Friends show back in Feb. That recording is rediculously good...

I was gonna just mention this tape! When I was downloading it I thought it was gonna have a HUGE hole, but it sounds quite nice! Maybe thats because in comparison to an arena, it was a small room...

yeah, the bowery is a small room and it really works well there.  in a bigger room, it might start sounding weird.  but hey, you never know until you try it, right?

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directional mics are subject to the proximity effect

Proximity effect is the increase in the low-frequency sensitivity of a microphone when the sound source is close to it. This is particularly true of cardioid, directional microphones. To counter that, most high-end directional microphones use a low-frequency roll-off filter to restore the response to its flat, natural balance. Some microphones have a user-selectable switch to control the filter.

I'd buy that... but I've ran on-stage w/ hyper's before and had no problem. I'm going to chalk this one up to "not being completely familiar with my new equipment" and possibly "not using a bass roll-off". Not to mention I don't "shower regularly", nor do I "brush my teeth" or "wash behind my ears".

[barren4]

Scott Brown split cards 15 feet in NYC at the Bowery for the Warren & Friends show back in Feb.  That recording is rediculously good...

After reading what Scott wrote about split cards at the Bowery w/ it's u shaped balcony., I had to try it at the Tabernacle.  I've never been completely  happy w/ my tapes from there.  I'm glad I tried, best sound so far from that room.  It is different sounding from din but there is definitly no hole in the middle.