Topic: Edirol R-44 - Solid State 4 channel recorder

[Nick's Picks]

there certainly *can* be phantom on TRS.
Microtrack does it.

and, if I were an FOH guy making my living on my work of the evenings..., I would be super wary of giving access to anything at my board.

I might provide the patch, but it would be on my terms and with my gear.

[illconditioned]

Shouldn't any board output have blocking caps (or a transformer)?

I agree, you shouldn't put 48V on there, but I would expect any (decent) board would have some protection.

  Richard

[Gutbucket]

They should.. but I'd guess from the stories that some may not be. 

Obviously not the usual scenario in any way shape or form but I remember reading that Healy's board was at some point in time DC coupled all the way through to the FOH amps, though I'd bet big money that the patch box thrown down to the section had de-coupling caps or x-formers in in path.

Nick's right and the Microtracker with phantom only available on 1/4" TRS inputs is the obvious example, but I'd bet any phantom capable recorder or preamp with 'combo' style XLR/TRS input jacks would do the same.

[Nick's Picks]

any 3 pin connection can carry phantom.
one to send, one to return and a ground.  thats that.

[BayTaynt3d]

Quick R-4 phantom question...say you have a XLR board patch - can you still turn phantom on?

This seems like potential problem...wasnt there a Govt Mule gig a few years ago that was nearly canceled cuz some dude turned his phantom power on and blew up the board?

phantom power can be turned on and off on the R-4, but only for channels 1&2 or channels 3&4 not for each channel individually. As far as I understand it phantom should NEVER be on when taking a board patch with any device including the r-4 unless you want to fry the board.

this is correct - turning phantom on would send 48v back to the board and fry it

Although you should never send phantom back into the SBD, I believe most good soundboards would easily block it these days. You don't have to fry too many SBDs before the manufacturers figure out they need to protect against it -- not just from tapers patching but from whatever else might happen, cause eventually it will, lol. But, I don't really know, I'm just saying, makes sense to me to not send phantom if you don't have to (same goes for Ribbons BTW, lol).

Also, being able to switch phantom individually on the R44 is one improvement I noticed immediately from the pics, that and those 4 RCA outs were nice tweaks too. Other than that, it looks to be a smaller flash version of the R4 pro without the timecode.

[Rick]

Well it looks like I might be one of the first guinea pigs for this thing  I just placed my order with sweetwater and supposedly I'm one of 4 people in their first shipment which is only 4 units. I'll you know how it goes

Edit: They are saying March 10th too. I'll believe it when I see it though

[leehookem]

I'll be holding off until Doug says he can mod it.

[Rick]

I'll be holding off until Doug says he can mod it.

Does that mean you wont want to borrow it and run AKG > V3 + SBD > Edirol R-44? 

[dennisrtyler]

I'll be holding off until Doug says he can mod it.

bingo

[leehookem]

I'll be holding off until Doug says he can mod it.

Does that mean you wont want to borrow it and run AKG > V3 + SBD > Edirol R-44? 

should have said hold off purchasing...

[Rick]

I'll be holding off until Doug says he can mod it.

bingo

I'd agree if I didn't have the V3

[OFOTD]

Cross posting from the Team R4 thread.  I spoke with and emailed with a few people today at Edirol/Roland about the R4/R4 Pro/R44.

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,92387.msg1318553.html#msg1318553


I was led to believe that the R44 digital input WOULD NOT be bit accurate and the signal WOULD be resampled.

I have an email out to one of the top guys for a 2nd confirmation.

If true then it would distinctly separate the R4/R44 from the R4 Pro.   

[Colin Liston]

Cross posting from the Team R4 thread.  I spoke with and emailed with a few people today at Edirol/Roland about the R4/R4 Pro/R44.

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,92387.msg1318553.html#msg1318553


I was led to believe that the R44 digital input WOULD NOT be bit accurate and the signal WOULD be resampled.

I have an email out to one of the top guys for a 2nd confirmation.

If true then it would distinctly separate the R4/R44 from the R4 Pro.   

That is f*cking retarded.  Why even have a digital input then?  What's the point?

[Rick]

I was led to believe that the R44 digital input WOULD NOT be bit accurate and the signal WOULD be resampled.
 

Thanks Dave for ruining my day  Hopefully the guy you talked to really didn't know... other wise I think a 702 might be on my horizon.

[Colin Liston]

Sweetwater says:

They will be getting their first units in March 9.