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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #195 on: May 29, 2018, 10:59:13 AM »
doh! i tried 2x wav at the show i was at last night and also got 42-100'd and didnt have time to troubleshoot/reset/figure it out

i guess we know now

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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #196 on: May 31, 2018, 06:40:57 AM »
First outing with the R-07, gotta love the Bluetooth for the low profile pull!

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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #197 on: May 31, 2018, 08:15:00 AM »
Is there anyone who has picked up one of these who also has an M10 who has done a comparison or can otherwise comment on the actual sound quality you get on these two units using the input jacks (don't care about internal mics)? This has been asked a couple times already in in this thread but not yet answered I don't think. Currently debating picking up one of these new versus spending a little more for a used M10. The ability to control via the app is appealing, but not if the M10 has significantly better sound quality.

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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #198 on: May 31, 2018, 09:30:23 AM »
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #199 on: May 31, 2018, 10:43:35 AM »
Is there anyone who has picked up one of these who also has an M10 who has done a comparison or can otherwise comment on the actual sound quality you get on these two units using the input jacks (don't care about internal mics)? This has been asked a couple times already in in this thread but not yet answered I don't think. Currently debating picking up one of these new versus spending a little more for a used M10. The ability to control via the app is appealing, but not if the M10 has significantly better sound quality.
https://soundcloud.com/edtyre/dana-fuchs-band-2018-05-24-sellersville-theater

This was mic in, tonight I’ll do line in and post some other comments
Edited to be clearer : The link above was recorded using a Babynbox
at a gain of 58 with a safety track.
Tonight I’ll be using an Nbox platinum with a gain of 9-10
and no safety track.

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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #200 on: May 31, 2018, 11:45:35 AM »
I sold my M-10’s because I thought the R-05 sounded better.
Now the R-07 sounds better than that one. My own opinion
others might feel differently, but I recorded well over 600 shows
with an M-10 so I have a large sampling to compare it to.
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #201 on: May 31, 2018, 12:51:21 PM »
awesome, thank you ed!

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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #202 on: May 31, 2018, 01:38:01 PM »
I sold my M-10’s because I thought the R-05 sounded better.
Now the R-07 sounds better than that one. My own opinion
others might feel differently, but I recorded well over 600 shows
with an M-10 so I have a large sampling to compare it to.

Edirol/Roland makes an awesome small recorder.  I use an M-10 and a R-09HR for different situations, but prefer the Edirol R-09HR for all stealth shows, if for no other reason, because of the plug locations on the machine.  It's also more user friendly when you can't monitor what you're doing as well as being able to dim and shut off lights.  As for the recording quality (the Edirol mics are better, but the Sony's aren't bad - for an emergency.  I've had to briefly use both before being ready to plug in the real mics), I think they're both so close that it's insignificant, but I'd give the edge to the Edirol.  If I were to upgrade the machine, and wasn't concerned about size, the Roland R-26 is amazing, and in my opinion, the best available in a small recorder.  Note that I'm not comparing the R-05 or the R-07, but still wanted to testify as to the quality of the Roland.  If you need a machine to use at festivals and other long events, the Sony M-10 wins hands down if for no other reason other than the batteries lasting for about 50 freakin' hours!
Normal: Nakamichi CM-700's >> SD 744T (or) Sony PCM-M10
Normal: Crown CM-700's >> SD 302 >> SD 744T
Fun times: 3 Crown CM-700's >> SD 302 >> SD744T + 2 Nakamichi CM-700's >> SD744T
Stealth: CA-14c >> CA 9200 >> Edirol R-09HR
Ultra stealth: AudioReality >> AudioReality battery box >> Edirol R-09HR
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #203 on: May 31, 2018, 04:01:38 PM »
I sold my M-10’s because I thought the R-05 sounded better.
Now the R-07 sounds better than that one. My own opinion
others might feel differently, but I recorded well over 600 shows
with an M-10 so I have a large sampling to compare it to.

Edirol/Roland makes an awesome small recorder.  I use an M-10 and a R-09HR for different situations, but prefer the Edirol R-09HR for all stealth shows, if for no other reason, because of the plug locations on the machine.  It's also more user friendly when you can't monitor what you're doing as well as being able to dim and shut off lights.  As for the recording quality (the Edirol mics are better, but the Sony's aren't bad - for an emergency.  I've had to briefly use both before being ready to plug in the real mics), I think they're both so close that it's insignificant, but I'd give the edge to the Edirol.  If I were to upgrade the machine, and wasn't concerned about size, the Roland R-26 is amazing, and in my opinion, the best available in a small recorder.  Note that I'm not comparing the R-05 or the R-07, but still wanted to testify as to the quality of the Roland.  If you need a machine to use at festivals and other long events, the Sony M-10 wins hands down if for no other reason other than the batteries lasting for about 50 freakin' hours!

There are a lot of great choices for small recorders out there, there is NO best one. The best is what suits your own needs.
I liked the mic in better on the R-05 than the M-10, more clean gain to add to mic in. My opinion :-) If you don't use that
then it doesn't make a difference. Didn't like the gain wheel on the M-10 or that lock didn't lock the gain. Quality on line in is pretty
much the same. My opinion. Right now i have 2x R-05, R-07 and MixPre3 to stealth with and i'm liking all of them :-)
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #204 on: May 31, 2018, 04:27:42 PM »
First outing with the R-07, gotta love the Bluetooth for the low profile pull!

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at853 subcards > R-07

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/CY0aP5tx3PMJnbm425NABcDaQqdvedBffu79QWivSIY

Nice, thanks. Was this on plug-in power?
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #205 on: May 31, 2018, 04:50:33 PM »
I sold my M-10’s because I thought the R-05 sounded better.
Now the R-07 sounds better than that one. My own opinion
others might feel differently, but I recorded well over 600 shows
with an M-10 so I have a large sampling to compare it to.

Edirol/Roland makes an awesome small recorder.  I use an M-10 and a R-09HR for different situations, but prefer the Edirol R-09HR for all stealth shows, if for no other reason, because of the plug locations on the machine.  It's also more user friendly when you can't monitor what you're doing as well as being able to dim and shut off lights.  As for the recording quality (the Edirol mics are better, but the Sony's aren't bad - for an emergency.  I've had to briefly use both before being ready to plug in the real mics), I think they're both so close that it's insignificant, but I'd give the edge to the Edirol.  If I were to upgrade the machine, and wasn't concerned about size, the Roland R-26 is amazing, and in my opinion, the best available in a small recorder.  Note that I'm not comparing the R-05 or the R-07, but still wanted to testify as to the quality of the Roland.  If you need a machine to use at festivals and other long events, the Sony M-10 wins hands down if for no other reason other than the batteries lasting for about 50 freakin' hours!

There are a lot of great choices for small recorders out there, there is NO best one. The best is what suits your own needs.
I liked the mic in better on the R-05 than the M-10, more clean gain to add to mic in. My opinion :-) If you don't use that
then it doesn't make a difference. Didn't like the gain wheel on the M-10 or that lock didn't lock the gain. Quality on line in is pretty
much the same. My opinion. Right now i have 2x R-05, R-07 and MixPre3 to stealth with and i'm liking all of them :-)

Of course you are correct about no recorder being the best, since our needs are specific.  However, I was speaking about the machine, not our specific needs.  It's too big for stealth (compared to units like we are comparing in this conversation), but for it's size, using it in a non-stealth situation with the internals and/or external mics...like, for example, a band setting it up to record themselves...it would be the best for those situations.  I recommend it for all non-tapers who want to record themselves, band rehearsals, a basic live recording, etc.  Check it out, you'll see why.
You can see the equipment I use, which is very similar to yours, so I think we're on the same page ;-)
Normal: Nakamichi CM-700's >> SD 744T (or) Sony PCM-M10
Normal: Crown CM-700's >> SD 302 >> SD 744T
Fun times: 3 Crown CM-700's >> SD 302 >> SD744T + 2 Nakamichi CM-700's >> SD744T
Stealth: CA-14c >> CA 9200 >> Edirol R-09HR
Ultra stealth: AudioReality >> AudioReality battery box >> Edirol R-09HR
Simple & Sweet!

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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #206 on: May 31, 2018, 06:12:48 PM »
I like the M-10 but find it cumbersome to use discreetly. The bluetooth and app on this device seems very appealing in terms of leaving the thing in the bag and being able to control it via an app..
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #207 on: May 31, 2018, 08:43:35 PM »
First outing with the R-07, gotta love the Bluetooth for the low profile pull!

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https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/CY0aP5tx3PMJnbm425NABcDaQqdvedBffu79QWivSIY

Did you use a battery box or pre with your AT's, or did you go straight into the mic input?

If so, which battery box?

Where did you have your gain set on the R-07?

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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #208 on: May 31, 2018, 09:43:09 PM »
I have been watching this with some interest.  I only run stealth so there are specific features to convince an upgrade.  Its not the app since I don't need the phone to be more discreet, its not the dual tracks, its the amount of metal and whether it will set off metal detectors.  With a babynbox and a mostly plastic recorder it would take TSA level security to keep me from getting gear in.  If it works as well as the Tascam DR-2D for me and its easier to get in I might get one for a super stealth rig.

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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #209 on: June 01, 2018, 03:46:59 AM »
Hypers from the back of the room at a REAL LOUD show. I was back there doing video.
MK$'s were up in 3rd row.

This should be your answer to what does the line in at a loud show sounds like?

https://soundcloud.com/edtyre/chris-duarte-group-2018-05-31-sellersville-theater


Here's a shot of the opening act's wav file. I got it just at -3 from the phone app perfect.

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