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Re: Marantz PMD 660
« Reply #255 on: October 25, 2006, 08:28:19 AM »
gosh I love this little box.

I do know that I wanna run a clipping test with the pad OFF. While recording, I plan to slowly crank up my stereo in intervals, noting where each interval reads on the meter. After transferring I will listen to where distortion becomes audible and use that as my 0 dB mark.

Shouldn't this work?


Unless you have some sort of mega system at home it will be extremely difficult to re-create the SPL that you experience at a concert.  The reality is that the box will begin to distort/clip when the 0dB lights start to light up whether the pad is on or not. All the above test would show is if the meters are accurate with the pad on and off.  What is being argued here is what sounds "better" a much more elusive term to capture in any way shape or form.   Personally I think my 480's sound "better" than many mics out there. You'll find a few folks that disagree more than a little with that statement.  ;)

Does the Pad allow you to turn the knob further with the same SPL in the room?  Absolutely.  Does this result in a better recording?  YMMV
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Re: Marantz PMD 660
« Reply #256 on: October 25, 2006, 09:40:43 AM »
gosh I love this little box.

I do know that I wanna run a clipping test with the pad OFF. While recording, I plan to slowly crank up my stereo in intervals, noting where each interval reads on the meter. After transferring I will listen to where distortion becomes audible and use that as my 0 dB mark.

Shouldn't this work?
The reality is that the box will begin to distort/clip when the 0dB lights start to light up whether the pad is on or not.

I'm not sure this is correct. All most every show I run with the pad on. I'm at or around 0dB and in reality I try to get OVER to at least light up from time to time. I run peak only on the meters which it holds the highest peak for about 3 to 5 seconds so when I hit the red (OVER) it appears to be clipping. When you get it home it's sweet music. I remember Doug telling me crank that thing and don't fear the red. That is why I've been argueing for the pad to be on. Well not argueing really...advocating.

It's funny because I have some people watch my gear while I leave for a beer or a walk through the venue and when I come back they will say your levels appear too high. I've even adjusted them down a little. But they usually look at me funny when I say no they're fine.
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Re: Marantz PMD 660
« Reply #257 on: October 25, 2006, 12:47:55 PM »
YES go for it  !!   BUT remember that all of us  have different mics  SSOOOO   do a dual test one with pad / one with out  have mics at the same location to yer speakers & note the levels with a track note on the deck for each test  ie '; each time u turn the volume up a notch  make a track note on the deck  till you get brickwalling AND then do the same with the pad on & compair .. use a loud rock source ,the same for each test , even if you have to use the same track over & over agin..    do you have a acm oade mod  & what serial # do u have  thanx Mike

I have an ACM, I'll post the serial when I post my results.

I already have a good feel for my meter boundaries with the pad ON (seeing how they are accurate). Like tfs8271 said, when the pad is on I am pushing the levels and fearing no red, and I have yet to get audible distortion. But you are right, I should test it anyway.

I am really running this test because the meters are innacurate with the pad OFF (or at least that is what I've read on this board) and I would like to know how to set my levels with the pad off. I tape some classical music and even with the pad off I didn't get enough gain.

Unless you have some sort of mega system at home it will be extremely difficult to re-create the SPL that you experience at a concert.  The reality is that the box will begin to distort/clip when the 0dB lights start to light up whether the pad is on or not. All the above test would show is if the meters are accurate with the pad on and off.  What is being argued here is what sounds "better" a much more elusive term to capture in any way shape or form.   Personally I think my 480's sound "better" than many mics out there. You'll find a few folks that disagree more than a little with that statement. 

Does the Pad allow you to turn the knob further with the same SPL in the room?  Absolutely.  Does this result in a better recording?  YMMV

As I said above, what I'm trying to find out here is, plain and simple, if the meters are accurate with the pad OFF. I know that the direction of the thread was kinda based on which sounds better (pad on or off), so sorry for getting a little off topic.

I'll probably use a pair of Fender Princetons coming out of a Boss ME-50, I am pretty sure I can reach concert levels if I put the mic right up to the cone. We'll see though.

The 480's are consistently winning my listening comparisons with other mics. And after hearing some of the 480 > ACM 660, I am pretty sure those are my next mic upgrade. :)

I guess I haven't done any direct comparisons with the pad on or off, but after running my 660 with the pad on and cranking the levels (with just a little red), I really like the results.
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Re: Marantz PMD 660
« Reply #258 on: October 25, 2006, 01:21:35 PM »
gosh I love this little box.

I do know that I wanna run a clipping test with the pad OFF. While recording, I plan to slowly crank up my stereo in intervals, noting where each interval reads on the meter. After transferring I will listen to where distortion becomes audible and use that as my 0 dB mark.

Shouldn't this work?
The reality is that the box will begin to distort/clip when the 0dB lights start to light up whether the pad is on or not.

I'm not sure this is correct. All most every show I run with the pad on. I'm at or around 0dB and in reality I try to get OVER to at least light up from time to time. I run peak only on the meters which it holds the highest peak for about 3 to 5 seconds so when I hit the red (OVER) it appears to be clipping. When you get it home it's sweet music. I remember Doug telling me crank that thing and don't fear the red. That is why I've been argueing for the pad to be on. Well not argueing really...advocating.

It's funny because I have some people watch my gear while I leave for a beer or a walk through the venue and when I come back they will say your levels appear too high. I've even adjusted them down a little. But they usually look at me funny when I say no they're fine.

Does the -20 effect the headroom? Do the meters always run true? So if it shows you're at 0db you're really at 0db regardless of any pads? I've been wondering about this.
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Re: Marantz PMD 660
« Reply #259 on: October 25, 2006, 01:52:15 PM »
Does the -20 effect the headroom? Do the meters always run true? So if it shows you're at 0db you're really at 0db regardless of any pads? I've been wondering about this.

All I know is that I read that the levels are not accurate with the pad OFF. I need to know if this is true or not, so I plan on testing. Details can be found above.
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Re: Marantz PMD 660
« Reply #260 on: October 25, 2006, 09:31:13 PM »
Just an update on the fall tour and my recordings.  The battery issues I had @ the House of Blues during the Rythem Devils show still has me stumped.  I purchased some more energizer rechargables and going to try those out tomarro in Columbus, OH  for Ratdog.  Has anyone else had card reading problems?  I had some trouble with the card being read properly it stated err card 03 or something like that.  My laptop wouldnt read the card or dowload untill I reset.   The manual says to resent by removing batteries and unplug.  No power = reset 660...  So I went out and bought a $20 external flash card read from sandisk to eliminate and USB issues with the 660.  Anyhow on to the next issue....  My 2GB Sandisk flash card read it had 12 min left to record but recording stopped and it said it was full...  Needless to say I didnt get the encore.  Piss me off it did.....  So anyone taping Ratdog make shure you have 4 GB of card space to ge through the night.  It stopped at just about exactly 3 hrs of music.   Just some gliches I have come accoss but the recording are very good in deed....   
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Re: Marantz PMD 660
« Reply #261 on: October 25, 2006, 10:19:59 PM »
Just an update on the fall tour and my recordings.  The battery issues I had @ the House of Blues during the Rythem Devils show still has me stumped.  I purchased some more energizer rechargables and going to try those out tomarro in Columbus, OH  for Ratdog.  Has anyone else had card reading problems?  I had some trouble with the card being read properly it stated err card 03 or something like that.  My laptop wouldnt read the card or dowload untill I reset.   The manual says to resent by removing batteries and unplug.  No power = reset 660...  So I went out and bought a $20 external flash card read from sandisk to eliminate and USB issues with the 660.  Anyhow on to the next issue....  My 2GB Sandisk flash card read it had 12 min left to record but recording stopped and it said it was full...  Needless to say I didnt get the encore.  Piss me off it did.....  So anyone taping Ratdog make shure you have 4 GB of card space to ge through the night.  It stopped at just about exactly 3 hrs of music.   Just some gliches I have come accoss but the recording are very good in deed....   

What kind of battery issues are you having? I have rechargable Energizers ( I think they are 2500 mah)  and on a full charge they still read full at the end of a 2.5 to 3 hour show. I've never pushed it to see how long the would really last. The only cards I've used are sandisk 2 gig ultra II and have had no issues. I tried a 4gig PNY card but it didn't work.
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Re: Marantz PMD 660
« Reply #262 on: October 26, 2006, 12:00:07 AM »
Just an update on the fall tour and my recordings.  The battery issues I had @ the House of Blues during the Rythem Devils show still has me stumped.  I purchased some more energizer rechargables and going to try those out tomarro in Columbus, OH  for Ratdog.  Has anyone else had card reading problems?  I had some trouble with the card being read properly it stated err card 03 or something like that.  My laptop wouldnt read the card or dowload untill I reset.   The manual says to resent by removing batteries and unplug.  No power = reset 660...  So I went out and bought a $20 external flash card read from sandisk to eliminate and USB issues with the 660.  Anyhow on to the next issue....  My 2GB Sandisk flash card read it had 12 min left to record but recording stopped and it said it was full...  Needless to say I didnt get the encore.  Piss me off it did.....  So anyone taping Ratdog make shure you have 4 GB of card space to ge through the night.  It stopped at just about exactly 3 hrs of music.   Just some gliches I have come accoss but the recording are very good in deed....   

many on this board have performed a battery sled mod that solved recording length issues. There are descriptions and pictures somewhere on this board, possibly this thread. It had to do with improper contacts, the fix is rather simple.
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Re: Marantz PMD 660
« Reply #263 on: October 26, 2006, 12:14:28 AM »
I was using energizer 1850mAb and I think they didnt charge all the way.  I have bought new energizer 2500mAb and will see if they last the three plus hr shows.  Last night when I turned the unit on after the first set I received an error message.  I received this message once before when I first got the 660 and put in uncharged batteries.  The one glich that bothered me the most is not being able to download USB to my lap top.  The 2GB flash card was completely full and I kept getting an error message even with the AC pluged in.  The first set downloaded fine last night when I first got to the hotel.  In morning when I tried to download the 2nd track(set) I received the error message again.  So, I reset the 660 and then no problems.  I'm going to us two 2GB cards and switch them out beteen sets.  Can't understand why it told me I had 12min left and then stop because of a full card.      
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Re: Marantz PMD 660
« Reply #264 on: October 26, 2006, 12:22:14 AM »
Wish I could help but I haven't received this happening but I run a 4 GB and haven't come close to filling it. Just bought at 2gb and will test it when I get it in the mail. I have filled a 1GB card and it ran all the way through the full card (1 hr. and something).

As far as the USB. Are you plugging the power cord in then the usb from 660>laptop then hit the power switch on the 660 as your pressing down the USB button? Just wondered if this might cause an error.
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Re: Marantz PMD 660
« Reply #265 on: October 26, 2006, 12:41:21 AM »
OK I just read the thread that was sugested ...My batteries fit real tight ...  I followed the manual instructions on how to download and had no problems untill last night..  I'm going to pay attention to more detail and see what happens tomarro.  With new batteries I think it will be ok. 
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Re: Marantz PMD 660
« Reply #266 on: October 27, 2006, 02:47:46 AM »
i use the energizer  high energy 2500 mAh's & the new recharger they came out with the model # CHCAR1 (got it at BESTBUY)   it's a dual use charger that has a regular wall transformer & a ciggerete plug in for use in a car lighter plugin...  will charge both ways .. i charge just before the show & just after & get 5 hours out of them  the energizer 2500  mAh's fit real tight in the box   had a set of sony's that didn't fit that tight & had problems & the sony charger took 8 hours to charge a set .. the energizer charger takes way  way less time & turns it's self off when the batts are fully charged .. get a card reader to down load the files to yer computer  the usb port takes to long & i was getting pops/crackel when i used it    Mike

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Re: Marantz PMD 660
« Reply #267 on: October 27, 2006, 07:33:58 PM »
^^ I also have the energizer 2500 mAh batts and new charger, works great so far.  never had that pop/crackle problem though w/ USB.
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Re: Marantz PMD 660
« Reply #268 on: October 29, 2006, 12:01:27 AM »
...never had that pop/crackle problem though w/ USB.

I bought a Sandisk reader when I bought my 4 gig Sandisk CF card because the reader was less than 15 bucks.  I figured at that price I would just go ahead and get the card reader and only have to pay shipping on one box.

The card reader is still in the box.  I've never been able to reproduce any crackling from the built in USB. 

Maybe the built in USB is sketchy and some units have problems and others don't?






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Re: Marantz PMD 660
« Reply #269 on: October 29, 2006, 01:36:23 AM »
the card readers are just better to use anyway as in they d'l faster . delete files faster ,easy to find the files that need deleting without deleting ones that u want  by mistake , no need to keep pluging in the a/c OR burn batt's .  anytime that u don't have to use the small plugs on yer deck the longer they last & less wear & tear on the deck    Now this is all I M H O only   8)   mike

 

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