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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: scb on February 15, 2005, 08:05:38 PM
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first thing i did was open it up and found a samsung 40 gig drive in it. it's just suspended in there, with foam protecting it
i was afraid to take the ide connector off but it came off. i attached the new drive and spent about 10 min trying to put it back together. you have to line the bottom up so that little tabs click into place, then put the screws back in
formatting was automatic. it asked if i wanted to format, and gave me a bunch of "are you really sure you want to do this" messages. good stuff. can't do that by mistake
menu is very self explanatory i think. setting up time and basic recording settings (sample rate/bit depth) was very easy.
i recorded a few min of a 24/96 show through AES in (AES out from computer). worked like a charm. the transfer of the 100 megs happened in less than 30 seconds. fast firewire speed (firmware 1.15 came on it)
played fine.
pics coming
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battery is the 6000mA one, which is why it's huge
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*drool*
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damn I am jealous
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with v3 for comparison. i put them flat on top of each other. they are the same width, but the 722 is actually not as deep. you can see where the v3 is deeper..
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that looks nice :D
Raphael
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+t man thats pretty. sound devices consistently impresses me.
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with v3 for comparison. i put them flat on top of each other. they are the same width, but the 722 is actually not as deep. you can see where the v3 is deeper..
still pretty big for stealthing purposes though....
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I gotta have one of these....time to start saving...
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the samsung drive it comes with is a 5400rpm MP0402H
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with v3 for comparison. i put them flat on top of each other. they are the same width, but the 722 is actually not as deep. you can see where the v3 is deeper..
still pretty big for stealthing purposes though....
it fits in the same pack i use to stealth an mp2 and d100 even with the huge battery (and it's not a big pack, just a standard EMS one). i just need some right angle xlr adaptors for the 4022s i think
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with v3 for comparison. i put them flat on top of each other. they are the same width, but the 722 is actually not as deep. you can see where the v3 is deeper..
still pretty big for stealthing purposes though....
it fits in the same pack i use to stealth an mp2 and d100 even with the huge battery (and it's not a big pack, just a standard EMS one). i just need some right angle xlr adaptors for the 4022s i think
good point, it still looks like it will be tough to crotch when necessary...am I misjudging the size?
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scott...thanks for the pics and commentary!! +T can't wait to get my hands on one!
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forgot to mention, it also comes with a case logic case for it
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so looking at this...a couple more questions come to mind....is there a way to provide a digi out for patching? is ther ea way to shut off the pretty lights :P ?
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it still looks like it will be tough to crotch when necessary...am I misjudging the size?
i haven't shoved it in my pants yet :)
but it's really not much bigger than an mp2. i figure if i can crotch an mp2 and d100 i can do this
i'll try sometime. for now i'm letting it charge
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i haven't shoved it in my pants yet :)
but it's really not much bigger than an mp2. i figure if i can crotch an mp2 and d100 i can do this
I figured since you cracked it open you already were well enough acquanted to take move right on to the crotching :P
How beefy is the caselogic case? Enough to protect from bumps and whatnot?
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you can give a digi out or analog out on 1/8 or the mini xlrs all at the same time. outputs are assignable
lights can be dimmed really far down. i'm assuming you can shut them off, but i haven't tried.
time to eat. i'll play more later
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So can you assign a 16 output if you are recording at 24 bit?
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i haven't shoved it in my pants yet :)
but it's really not much bigger than an mp2. i figure if i can crotch an mp2 and d100 i can do this
i'll try sometime. for now i'm letting it charge
From the pictures, I would not want to crotch it. The V3 pushes the limit on the size of crotchable gear, this box has even more width. The problem isn't standing with a V3 in your shorts, the problem is when you actually have to walk and then when you have to go up and down stairs. The extra width would probably drive even more into the thighs.
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i haven't shoved it in my pants yet :)
but it's really not much bigger than an mp2. i figure if i can crotch an mp2 and d100 i can do this
i'll try sometime. for now i'm letting it charge
From the pictures, I would not want to crotch it. The V3 pushes the limit on the size of crotchable gear, this box has even more width. The problem isn't standing with a V3 in your shorts, the problem is when you actually have to walk and then when you have to go up and down stairs. The extra width would probably drive even more into the thighs.
as somebody who routinely crotches a v3, together with the 6v sla and a couple of dat decks, the 722 will be a piece of cake!
suggestion...get a pair of bicycle shorts and have some interior pockets sewn on the inner thighs. helps keep the gear in place when moving around.
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the v3 pics are misleading. it's not wider than a v3, it just looked like that from the angle i took the pictures. the v3 is actually a little wider
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just threw the spandex on and tried it out. it's heavier than the mp2 but it fits just below the beltline and above the crotch of the pants. i think it's possible to use this as a full time stealth box
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pic of 722 mounting on os x desktop like a regular firewire drive
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I love this site! Scott's had the 722 for no more than a few hours, and it already been down his pants! ;D 8) ;)
Another +t in 12!!! ;D ;D
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I love this site! Scott's had the 722 for no more than a few hours, and it already been down his pants! ;D 8) ;)
Another +t in 12!!! ;D ;D
So many jokes to be made from this post. ;D
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How beefy is the caselogic case? Enough to protect from bumps and whatnot?
it won't help if you drop it, but it will keep it from scratching and all that
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if stealthing and caught, what does one do?
with a dat deck, you hand over the tape (or most people do).
with the 722 might one keep low a capacity cf card installed to surrender?
i've been thinking of bringing in a dat deck to provide backup if the 722 craps out and to have a tape if security asks for it.....
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i think dither is only on record. menu only says it about recording
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I love this site! Scott's had the 722 for no more than a few hours, and it already been down his pants! ;D 8) ;)
Another +t in 12!!! ;D ;D
hell, i think all of us want to make love to this box
did i really just say that?
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I love this site! Scott's had the 722 for no more than a few hours, and it already been down his pants! ;D 8) ;)
Another +t in 12!!! ;D ;D
hell, i think all of us want to make love to this box
did i really just say that?
lol!
new toys rock.
(http://www.billwymanshop.com/acatalog/04443a%20Rock%20On%20Book.jpg)
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killer, looks like a fun toy +T
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"stealth mode" turns the meters and all lights off when the backlight is off
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"stealth mode" turns the meters and all lights off when the backlight is off
is it actually called stealth mode? ;D If so, that is too funny
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if stealthing and caught, what does one do?
with a dat deck, you hand over the tape (or most people do).
with the 722 might one keep low a capacity cf card installed to surrender?
i've been thinking of bringing in a dat deck to provide backup if the 722 craps out and to have a tape if security asks for it.....
Just say there is no tape and walk away. Nothing they can do about it...
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yep, really called "Stealth Mode"
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if stealthing and caught, what does one do?
with a dat deck, you hand over the tape (or most people do).
with the 722 might one keep low a capacity cf card installed to surrender?
i've been thinking of bringing in a dat deck to provide backup if the 722 craps out and to have a tape if security asks for it.....
Keep a DAT/MD with you and just give them that. They won't know ;)
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if stealthing and caught, what does one do?
with a dat deck, you hand over the tape (or most people do).
with the 722 might one keep low a capacity cf card installed to surrender?
i've been thinking of bringing in a dat deck to provide backup if the 722 craps out and to have a tape if security asks for it.....
Keep a DAT/MD with you and just give them that. They won't know ;)
thats what i was going to say :D
Raphael
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now i need a new bag. my rakgear was great before, but now there's way too much empty space
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The first thing security will be asking isn't if you're taping. They and everyone sitting around you will be asking why you keep opening your drawers and looking down there. They might not understand when you tell them you're "checking your levels".
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The first thing security will be asking isn't if you're taping. They and everyone sitting around you will be asking why you keep opening your drawers and looking down there. They might not understand when you tell them you're "checking your levels".
not many stealther keep there rigs in there pants ;)
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not many stealther keep there rigs in there pants ;)
The ones that never get caught do :)
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looking good scott, congratulations. thanks for the pics.
jr
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not many stealther keep there rigs in there pants ;)
The ones that never get caught do :)
ok you may have me there ;D
Raphael
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looking good scott, congratulations. thanks for the pics.
jr
i should thank you guys
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I didn't find a way to dim the meter lights without turning them off - "Stealth Mode" on the demo I had. Have you figured this out? Looked to me like the options were super bright and off, which sucks. Let me know if I missed something.
Brothers
"stealth mode" turns the meters and all lights off when the backlight is off
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should be: out of stealth mode; pressing the * button toggles the LED's and the backlighting LCD
Holding the * button and scrolling the wheel, dims the LED's
in stealth mode; (no LCD lit) pressing the * button toggles the LED's
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you can give a digi out or analog out on 1/8 or the mini xlrs all at the same time. outputs are assignable
What are you assigning? The actual outputs source, or channel that can be output, or both?
Wayne
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http://www.sounddevices.com/download/guides/722_en.pdf
page 19.
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just threw the spandex on and tried it out. it's heavier than the mp2 but it fits just below the beltline and above the crotch of the pants. i think it's possible to use this as a full time stealth box
well, it fits for some people... <wink wink> <nudge nudge>
;D
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notice how i said ABOVE. i didn't say over anything :)
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what new drive did you install?
watch out for the digi-out when patching, it's AES format and D8s etc will read copy protection (at least that's the way my 744 is). SD is aware of the problem but they haven't said whether they will fix it or not.
Steve
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I dont think patching is really going to matter much, because I dont see many people buying this thing and not using it for 24 bit recording...and the amount of 24 bit capable patching decks out there....
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i can take a better v3 pic tonight, as well as it next to a d8.
does anyone make small right angle xlr adapters?
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also, am i dumb for asking or is there a chance this could get some type of input mod so it could run actives/caps without bodies?
It's an external mod. They call it "running 4022s".
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I'm in love with this thing. I'm with the rest of you. Time to start saving. Glad I didn't pull the trigger on the V3 just yet. It'll be nice to ditch the laptop too.
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I'm in love with this thing. I'm with the rest of you. Time to start saving. Glad I didn't pull the trigger on the V3 just yet. It'll be nice to ditch the laptop too.
I'm glad I *did* pull the trigger on the V3, I can't wait to run it in front of this bad boy. ;D ;)
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I'm in love with this thing. I'm with the rest of you. Time to start saving. Glad I didn't pull the trigger on the V3 just yet. It'll be nice to ditch the laptop too.
I'm glad I *did* pull the trigger on the V3, I can't wait to run it in front of this bad boy. ;D ;)
qft. v3>744t matrix :o
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That worked - thanks!
should be: out of stealth mode; pressing the * button toggles the LED's and the backlighting LCD
Holding the * button and scrolling the wheel, dims the LED's
in stealth mode; (no LCD lit) pressing the * button toggles the LED's
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scott - I'm so happy to hear how psyched you are on the new box. the rest of you lucky folks who are getting one this week are going to have a great weekend as well!!
william - regarding your question about digi output for patchers:
What is set as the recorder's SR and bit depth is what is output, thus in 24 bit mode the outputs will have 24 bit data. Remember, though, that you can input a 24 bit signal into a 16 bit
recorder. The least significant 8 bits will be truncated.
I spoke with John Hart yesterday and he is going to put his AD2K on the backend for proper word length reduction to send to DAT patchers. Now that is a nice TAPER.
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awesome scott
i saw the 744t at moe in scranton, i was drooling all over it
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Picure of D8/100/M1 next to this unit? like to see it! thanks for sharing the pics
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they are in the ~$2350 range...and yes all in one, including hard drive recorder, unlike the V3....
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they are in the ~$2350 range...and yes all in one, including hard drive recorder, unlike the V3....
Unless you want to run something in front of it. ;) I cant wait to hear all the comps that are sure to be made this weekend. ;D
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they are in the ~$2350 range...and yes all in one, including hard drive recorder, unlike the V3....
Unless you want to run something in front of it. ;) I cant wait to hear all the comps that are sure to be made this weekend. ;D
quite honestly if this thing doesnt sound good without something in front of it, I will be shocked....
that being said, I am still holding out hope someone comes out with a HD recorder with no pre/AD section....just dont see myself getting rid of my V3 anytime soon...
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so what is the street price & expected widespread availability of these boxes? i know i looked this up before, but are they an "all in one" like the v3 / ua5?
722 = $2650 U.S. Retail
744T = $4250 U.S. Retail
Street is probably going to be real close if not exactly this since they are still hard to get. However, when I compare this to the 10K I spent for the Deva, it's a bargain. Although they really aren't competing for the same dollars (maybe the 744T, but it would take two 744Ts to have the correct number of tracks and then there are issues associated with the tracks when they are ganged together).
SD is still having issues getting these out the door to everybody waiting for them, so it's a total WAG when vendors have these "in stock" ... In all honesty, I've never known pro gear like this to be "in stock", usually it's built when somebody orders it. I had a 3 week wait for my Deva and they aren't new, it's just that most of these companies are small (think Grace) and they don't build 1000's of them like Tascam and Sony can and do.
Wayne
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Sonicsense's posted price for the 722 is $2375
http://www.sonicsense.com/744t.htm
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Sonicsense's posted price for the 722 is $2375
See I'm already a liar. ;D
Wayne
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Sonicsense's posted price for the 722 is $2375
See I'm already a liar. ;D
Wayne
nah, I have been contemplating selling stuff and buying so the pricing is firmly implanted :P
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Based on the single 7xx / V3 comp I heard a while go, this thing's gonna sound mighty fine. If memory serves, I still preferred the V3 pre/ADC but the differences were reasonably subtle such that most folks probably couldn't tell the difference.
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awesome scott
i saw the 744t at moe in scranton, i was drooling all over it
Wow, all that AND it's waterproof? ;D
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first thing i did was open it up and found a samsung 40 gig drive in it. it's just suspended in there, with foam protecting it
i was afraid to take the ide connector off but it came off. i attached the new drive and spent about 10 min trying to put it back together. you have to line the bottom up so that little tabs click into place, then put the screws back in
I've done the drive removal a few times....Nutter's prototype had issues with transfering the files, so we had to remove the drive and hook it up to an external drive case. Hopefully they've got this squared away...have your transfers been successful?
It'll fit in your pants, I ran the 744 for Dylan....it get's pretty warm though. I put it in a fanny pack after I got in, it was cookin' in there.
Have fun!! Congrats on finally getting it!!!
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By pretty warm ... are we talking uncomfortably so? Dangerously so?
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By pretty warm ... are we talking uncomfortably so? Dangerously so?
If it were in your pants, it could be uncomfortable. Not hot enough to burn you though...should be safe enough...might make your juevos toasty (not a great idea if you want to have kids in the future!).
I didn't have any trouble with it in the fannypack, but I try to keep it out in the open when I have ran it for taping allowed shows.
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because of the set-up with the cables on the side, i know i'll need a bigger fannypack to stealth it with. i can't fit the unit in my current ems pack with the xlrs attached
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because of the set-up with the cables on the side, i know i'll need a bigger fannypack to stealth it with. i can't fit the unit in my current ems pack with the xlrs attached
Damn, so running in pants is not an option?
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anything's possible.
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Scott, did you tape anything last night ;-)
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i watched the first 8 episodes of season 2 of 24 last night
(so no :) )
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Damn, so running in pants is not an option?
It kills me to read these types of things. ;-)
Why are people obsessed with stealthing? Maybe I'm just a bit burned out after taping so much for so long, but if a band tells me I can't tape them, I don't. (Of course now with the Deva, there ain't NO way that I could get away with it anyhow, but...)
I don't want to hijack this thread, let's continue to talk about the 722, I'm dying to hear some of the stuff people are doing with them. I'm just amazed at how many people seemed truly concerned about being able to cram this thing down their pants and running it from within their pants. ;-)
Wayne
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i watched the first 8 episodes of season 2 of 24 last night
I must live in a shell, what the heck is this?
Wayne
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Damn, so running in pants is not an option?
It kills me to read these types of things. ;-)
Why are people obsessed with stealthing? Maybe I'm just a bit burned out after taping so much for so long, but if a band tells me I can't tape them, I don't. (Of course now with the Deva, there ain't NO way that I could get away with it anyhow, but...)
I don't want to hijack this thread, let's continue to talk about the 722, I'm dying to hear some of the stuff people are doing with them. I'm just amazed at how many people seemed truly concerned about being able to cram this thing down their pants and running it from within their pants. ;-)
Wayne
If a band tells me I can't tape them I take it as a challenge. ;)
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i watched the first 8 episodes of season 2 of 24 last night
(so no :) )
How could you sit still with that thing in the house ?? I'm scouring the local venue listings for anything to tape as soon as that box hits my doorstep. Did you at least setup and tape while the TV was on?
I can't wait to post some samples. I still am in awe that the 744 demos machines have been out for so long and I have seen not one high res sample offered. Maybe I'm just not looking in the right place.
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Why are people obsessed with stealthing? Maybe I'm just a bit burned out after taping so much for so long, but if a band tells me I can't tape them, I don't.
there are a ton of great bands that don't allow taping. If i like the music enough to go to a show, why not make a copy to listen to again?
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Wayne, aside from open and stealth taping, I just agreed to record sound and FX for a friend from school who's entering the Philly 48-hour movie contest. Should be a cool challenge and something that I couldn't have done with my laptop rig (portable, but not enough so).
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i can't fit the unit in my current ems pack with the xlrs attached
XLRs on your... :o ...oh, you mean the 722.
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Wayne, aside from open and stealth taping, I just agreed to record sound and FX for a friend from school who's entering the Philly 48-hour movie contest. Should be a cool challenge and something that I couldn't have done with my laptop rig (portable, but not enough so).
Excellent. Although you don't have timecode with the 722. How you going to sync up?
Wayne
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i'm going to see if i can find right angle adapters that work
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This thing showed up just as I was putting away my work, so I haven't had more than an hour with it. But I like it a lot already.
- Drive swap and formatting is super easy.
- I really dig the metering. It's the best metering I've ever had (though limited experience)
- One really needs to lock the front panel buttons after configuring. I've already bumped the input routing button twice causing it to route incorrectly. It's a good thing those auto lock during a recording session.
- I really like the discrete gain readings. No more guessing if the gain is matched across channels.
- There seems to be no way to erase files in the field? I didn't find that yet if it's there.
- head phone amp is really nice.
I've got just two issues so far:
1) I'm seeing something that looks buggy in the headphone monitoring menu.
It isn't scrolling the options as it does for the other menu items and it is not letting me select 1,2 as teh monitoring source.
When it scrolls, it scrolls only the last two lines and leaves the top line stuck at a value.
When I select the wave button (soft labeled as the check mark) it jumps to another option in the menu, not accepting the selection.
All the other menus seem to navigate as expected.
Scott, do you see this problem with yours? I don't want to start reporting bugs if this is pilot error.
2) Another thing I'm seeing that I do not understand is that when I feed an AES signal from the V3 to the 722, I can watch the LCD panel and it shows it relocking to the proper rate as I move through the rate selections on the V3. It does not indicate 16-bit when ANSR is selected.
Does this mean that for a 16-bit digital feed the 722 needs to be reconfiured to store 16-bit file format?
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the fanny pack i currently have isn't wide enough to hold the 722 with the 4022 xlrs connected. if i got 2 right angle adapters (or very very short right angle cables) i might be able to fit it in since the 4022 xlrs wouldn't be sticking out an extra 2 inches on the left side
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an alternative approach is to use one of these
http://www.scottevest.com/v3_store/Classic_bk.shtml
have used one for several years with a v3 (and before that a v2). the v3 works very nicely on end in an interior pocket. the 722 would work even better since the mic connectors are on the end of the unit.
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an alternative approach is to use one of these
http://www.scottevest.com/v3_store/Classic_bk.shtml
have used one for several years with a v3 (and before that a v2). the v3 works very nicely on end in an interior pocket. the 722 would work even better since the mic connectors are on the end of the unit.
you've been telling me that for a while now. maybe it's about time i started listening to you :)
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the fanny pack i currently have isn't wide enough to hold the 722 with the 4022 xlrs connected. if i got 2 right angle adapters (or very very short right angle cables) i might be able to fit it in since the 4022 xlrs wouldn't be sticking out an extra 2 inches on the left side
I understand the break-out cables theory, and was going that direction. I leave my v3 hooked up with a similar set.
What I was asking is if the xlr's on your new deck are too close together to mount a pair of right angle xlr's. You had earlier hinted that they might be too close together.
I was going to suggest an epoxy / hot glue job to the inside of the right angle xlr on the cable, and grinding off the screw mount tabs/ears to get them closer together.
i don't have any right angles here so i don't know. are they really wider than standard xlrs?
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how would one check levels in the vest?
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how would one check levels in the vest?
if stealth, either you don't check levels (eg if security is 3 feet away!) or if you do, you lift the unit up to check. if stealth, i adjust levels during the show very, very rarely.
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and at 24 bit you can run them conservatively and still get good resolution...
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I ran mine tonight. If anyone wants 24/96 samples, I can ftp them or do a B&P.
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Excellent. Although you don't have timecode with the 722. How you going to sync up?
Planned to run tape out to his camera to have a guide, then use that to align the audio in FCP.
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Planned to run tape out to his camera to have a guide, then use that to align the audio in FCP.
I've done that and it works. But I urge you to get a slate and have someone call out the different scene and take numbers. Especially if the movie will be cut using the guide audio. Otherwise it becomes a roayl PITA to find the right take with 8 almost exactly similar waveforms (if the actors are consistent). Tell the editor to make notes of which take that was selected.
Just a heads up.
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I ran mine tonight. If anyone wants 24/96 samples, I can ftp them or do a B&P.
ftp would be suite :)
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Planned to run tape out to his camera to have a guide, then use that to align the audio in FCP.
I've done that and it works. But I urge you to get a slate and have someone call out the different scene and take numbers. Especially if the movie will be cut using the guide audio. Otherwise it becomes a roayl PITA to find the right take with 8 almost exactly similar waveforms (if the actors are consistent). Tell the editor to make notes of which take that was selected.
Just a heads up.
qft. good call
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i attached the new drive and spent about 10 min trying to put it back together
Scott, what drive did you put in?
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a hitachi 80 gig 5400rpm travelstar 5k100.
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Dare I ask what one of these 722's run price wise? :-\
Do people NOT read threads anymore? Go back and skim through this thread, it's mentioned.
Wayne
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Dare I ask what one of these 722's run price wise? :-\
Wayne beat me too it...see above... ::)
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a hitachi 80 gig 5400rpm travelstar 5k100.
Where did you get this from, Scott?
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wayne posted a link to the 5k80. i found th 5k100 there for the same price, and free 2nd day shipping
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=100524-1
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wayne posted a link to the 5k80. i found th 5k100 there for the same price, and free 2nd day shipping
I bought 2 of the 5k80 units for my Deva. It came with 40 gig model, then I bought two extra trays, so I could simply slide them out as I needed. This way I'm not tied to a computer. I can simply record and record and keep going that way until I fill 200 GB. I've actually been thinking of getting one more 80 GB drive, but so far I haven't filled a single 80 GB drive. (And I've erased very little so far).
Wayne
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I installed a Fujitsu 4200rpm 80G drive, 129.00 from newegg. I went with the 4200 to save power.
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Sooooo...when are we going to hear the V3 / MMe v. 722 comps? ;D
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Sooooo...when are we going to hear the V3 / MMe v. 722 comps? ;D
I may do that for Mule this sunday. 722 alone for one set and add in the V3 for the other. My problem is I have no way to host the files.
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722 alone for one set and add in the V3 for the other. My problem is I have no way to host the files.
Why not split the mic cables and run the V3/722 concurrently - much easier to do the comp from a listening perspective that way. I'm sure we can find a way to host the files - plenty of us here with broadband to seed the BT. Edit to add: I suppose if you're running 24-bit, a secondary recording device might be harder to come by.
You gonna do 24- or 16-bit comps?
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722 alone for one set and add in the V3 for the other. My problem is I have no way to host the files.
Why not split the mic cables and run the V3/722 concurrently - much easier to do the comp from a listening perspective that way. I'm sure we can find a way to host the files - plenty of us here with broadband to seed the BT.
You gonna do 24- or 16-bit comps?
Only 2 channels on the 722. I want to run the comp at 24/96, so the D7 stays home.
I know doing it across sets is not ideal, but the sound at Mule is pretty solid all the way though so I think it's as close as I can get with out another 722.
At some point, I'm going to borrow a friends V2 if he stilll has it and try that comp too.
BTW, the headphone monitoring configuration is just the menu navigation operating differently than how the other menu navigation works. I wrote SD and they called to help. It took about 2 minutes to explain and it's clear to me now.
Running this thing was a breeze last night. I was a little worried about battery time. The box powers on and is ready to record in much less time than I can load a DAT tape to my D7, so it's no problem to leave it powered off until just before it is needed.
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Only 2 channels on the 722. I want to run the comp at 24/96, so the D7 stays home.
Yup, that's what I figured.
I know doing it across sets is not ideal, but the sound at Mule is pretty solid all the way though so I think it's as close as I can get with out another 722.
Agreed. Looking forward to hearing more!
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Here is a question for all of you new 744 and 722 users. If you decide to run 24/96 (I've given this up myself and use 24/48), what options are there when the file goes over 2 or 4 GB in size? What happens on the reverse side of things (i.e. bringing it into the computer where this is much more of an issue)?
Wayne
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Here is a question for all of you new 744 and 722 users. If you decide to run 24/96 (I've given this up myself and use 24/48), what options are there when the file goes over 2 or 4 GB in size? What happens on the reverse side of things (i.e. bringing it into the computer where this is much more of an issue)?
Wayne
I thought i remembered reading there was an auto-split feature on the SD boxes?
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you can choose what size to auto split on. i have mine set at 2 gigs, though you can choose 4, 1, and even less i think
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you can split all the way down to 650mb so you can use it for cds gonna give mine the 1st run tonight! Just got through reading the manual, i am sure i will have a bnch of questions!! Frank's phone will be ringing!
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I've done that and it works. But I urge you to get a slate and have someone call out the different scene and take numbers. Especially if the movie will be cut using the guide audio. Otherwise it becomes a roayl PITA to find the right take with 8 almost exactly similar waveforms (if the actors are consistent). Tell the editor to make notes of which take that was selected.
Just a heads up.
Thanks! +T
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Here is a good link that will pretty much answer every question for non-722 owners. This thing seems to be rock solid!!!
http://www.sounddevices.com/tech/7-faq.htm
Edited to say I cannot wait for someone to use this badboy with a Soundfield!!!
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that being said, I am still holding out hope someone comes out with a HD recorder with no pre/AD section....just dont see myself getting rid of my V3 anytime soon...
I'm not even sure if this is helpful info, but I'll throw it out here anyway: I by chance was talking to a certain manufacturer of southern bricks earlier this week (he answered the damn retail phone number, which I called just to order some DATs!) and asked him about this, about my current DAT-based rig and about the current HD solutions... he said there were one or two "big names" who did not want to go on record with whom he has had some discussions recently that give him hope that such a solution may be a reality in the not-too-distant future (but years, not months)...something small too.
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funny stuff charlies...I had the same conversation with him this week and he told me the same thing...keeping my fingers crossed
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That's not surprising. The technology is here and manufacturers have finally started to combine it to a complete all-in-one. Sonosax has already claimed they are in the process of doing this and *small* too (but PRICY!).
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Just opened up the box and I'm very impressed. The pictures do not do this thing justice. While its smaller than the V3, it feels more dense and equally as sturdy. Too bad there is no one to see in or around town this weekend...
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overnight to me (sat delivery) along with mics and i'll return it with 24/96 mule on it. :P
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I'd have done it if I knew about it beforehand! I could fit it all in a shoe box ;D
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go out and record some rain or some shit at 24 bit
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Yonder Mtn in Asheville on Sunday, William?
Congratulations on the arrival of your new child.
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Just opened up the box and I'm very impressed. The pictures do not do this thing justice. While its smaller than the V3, it feels more dense and equally as sturdy. Too bad there is no one to see in or around town this weekend...
Aren't you going to Crue on Sunday?
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Just opened up the box and I'm very impressed. The pictures do not do this thing justice. While its smaller than the V3, it feels more dense and equally as sturdy. Too bad there is no one to see in or around town this weekend...
Aren't you going to Crue on Sunday?
I am going to Crue, but I our seats are in a corporate box.
You are more than welcome to run it, George, if you can keep it out of your shorts...
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You are more than welcome to run it, George, if you can keep it out of your shorts...
Damn, it's a shame they aren't open taping. Bi-Lo did a patdown the last time I was there so I doubt we'd get it in any other way. Can I borrow it for Wilco on Monday?
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Makin' me feel better and better... Just boxed the V3 and it is off to GA - Atlanta to a new home. Very happy to be able to keep it in the family.
My 722 arrives in a week or so...
Thanks to all for the input, photos, ideas..
CQBert
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Makin' me feel better and better... Just boxed the V3 and it is off to GA - Atlanta to a new home. Very happy to be able to keep it in the family.
My 722 arrives in a week or so...
Thanks to all for the input, photos, ideas..
CQBert
I know where that V3 is headed! It's in a good home. I'll be seeing (and maybe using it) at the Fox Panic shows for 2 extra channels for a 4 mic mix. ;)
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I'll be seeing (and maybe using it) at the Fox Panic shows for 2 extra channels for a 4 mic mix. ;)
4 mic mixes rule! ;) I always tell people once they start using 3 or 4 mic mixes, they won't go back. This is why didn't understand SD's decision to leave out the phantom in two of the four channels in the 744T. Oh well... How are you going to run the 4 mic mix?
I use to do this:
QTC1 ------ 77_77--------QTC1 > Wendt X4 > AD2K > DA-P1
With the QTC1 mics 1 metre apart & the SR-77's in ORTF between them. I mixed them in the Wendt before they went to the A/D converter.
Wayne
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I am more than speechless....Thing looks awesome.
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I told you guys!! I know it was a long wait, but it was worth it. Have fun this weekend!!
Tim, I am going to be fishing in central oregon this weekend so if you have questions, call my cell and leave a message. I will try to get back to you if I have a signal.
I think you will be fine tho, I handed off our 722 to our new employee Jeff last night for Derek Trucks next door and with no training, he ran the whole show no problem.... He was so jazzed this AM, he couldnt stop talking about it!
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This is why didn't understand SD's decision to leave out the phantom in two of the four channels in the 744T. Oh well... How are you going to run the 4 mic mix?
I would think it has to do with size. Sure, they could've of found a way to fit two more xlrs on there, but then they would have to remove something else - and in the eng world, this thing has about all you need. Maybe there's a way to rewire the TA3 to give phantom on the 3rd pin...then run a TA3>XLR adapter...
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This thing is f'n awesome. I just need to get one of those long-runtime batteries for it.
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I would think it has to do with size. Sure, they could've of found a way to fit two more xlrs on there, but then they would have to remove something else - and in the eng world, this thing has about all you need. Maybe there's a way to rewire the TA3 to give phantom on the 3rd pin...then run a TA3>XLR adapter...
ch3 and ch4 would still be line level inputs. would there be enough gain?
It's missing the other two preamps also, 744 = 2 mics in + 2 lines in , no?
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ch3 and ch4 would still be line level inputs. would there be enough gain?
It's missing the other two preamps also, 744 = 2 mics in + 2 lines in , no?
Yeah, I was being unrealistic - or "dreaming" ;)
Surprisingly there is a good amount of space inside this box (the 744T and probably more in the 722).
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a hitachi 80 gig 5400rpm travelstar 5k100.
although a big proponent of the view that speed and size are their own justifications, i'm curious what use you expect to put to the extra 40 gigs?
won't you typically transfer a show to your computer (and perhaps also backup to an external drive) before recording the next show?
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although a big proponent of the view that speed and size are their own justifications, i'm curious what use you expect to put to the extra 40 gigs?
won't you typically transfer a show to your computer (and perhaps also backup to an external drive) before recording the next show?
FESTIVAL!!!! :)
I run a 80GB in the Deva and it's always nice to know that you have the space should you need to and not have to worry about xfer'ing to another device.
Wayne
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or 2-3 night runs of a band.
24/96 is 2 gigs an hour, but if you want to try out 24/192, it's 4 an hour. extra space could come in handy
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although a big proponent of the view that speed and size are their own justifications, i'm curious what use you expect to put to the extra 40 gigs?
one word: Bonnaroo
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you can choose what size to auto split on. i have mine set at 2 gigs, though you can choose 4, 1, and even less i think
I can confirm that there are no missing samples across the files as well, based upon review of the Garaj Mahal show from Asheville on Saturday. The two parts fit together just fine!
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I still would like to see the 722 size in compare to DAT, any pics?
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I still would like to see the 722 size in compare to DAT, any pics?
not being a dick, but check out the dimensions of the v3, and go from there ;)
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My 722 arrives in a week or so...
You sure about that? :P
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Saw this unit last night....sweet machine...comparing it to a V3 is pretty much dead on size wise. Good news is Tim got a 24 bit tape of the Bridge, now we just have to figure out how the hell to chop up and burn a 24 bit disc :P
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This help?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v12/wboswell/D8on722.jpg)
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great thanks, whats that thing above? (batterybox?)
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its a battery attached to the back
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Saw this unit last night....sweet machine...comparing it to a V3 is pretty much dead on size wise. Good news is Tim got a 24 bit tape of the Bridge, now we just have to figure out how the hell to chop up and burn a 24 bit disc :P
BTW, you 744T & 722 guys, if you want to do some comparisons, I did Dave Alvin & The Guilty Men last night for some British video crew. I ran 5 channels of audio, and I'll let you mix it yourself if you want...
Channels 1&2 - SR-77
Chanel 3 - QTC-1
Channels 4&5 - Soundboard L & R (delayed 2 ms)
This MIGHT fit on a single DVD, I'm still trying to figure that out. I put it on two partitions last night (24/48). I'm not trying to be a snob, but I would prefer this raw stuff to go to the 722 & 744 guys just for comparisons. Not really for General Consumption. Hit me up if you're interested.
Wayne
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BTW, you 744T & 722 guys, if you want to do some comparisons, I did Dave Alvin & The Guilty Men last night for some British video crew. I ran 5 channels of audio, and I'll let you mix it yourself if you want...
Wayne
Based on that last comparison tape you sent out, all I can say is "Hell Yes!"
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Based on that last comparison tape you sent out, all I can say is "Hell Yes!"
Wonder what happened to those? I haven't heard back from most of the people...
Wayne
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I didn't find a way to dim the meter lights without turning them off - "Stealth Mode" on the demo I had. Have you figured this out? Looked to me like the options were super bright and off, which sucks. Let me know if I missed something.
Brothers
"stealth mode" turns the meters and all lights off when the backlight is off
If you press and hold down the LCD backlight key, the multi-function controller dims/brightens the LED's.
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El Barto just came by with his 722...man do i have to get back into taping. this thing is frickin cool. it is really really sturdy. boswell tried to tell me how sturdy it was, but i had to see for my own eyes. it is just as bombproof as the v3. Bart had taped some shitty band in a shitty arlington bar the other night (Ragtime) so the sample wasn't the best to really evaluate how the box sounds. he ran 140's>722@24/96 with the limiter on. at first we were listening through the 1/8" line out and the headphone out. it really didn't sound all that good. there was some weird crunchiness to the upper mids that was awful to listen to...very fatiguing. at first we thought that might be the limiter. then we thought maybe it was the shitty PA. at this point, we couldn't connect it digitally since i didn't have a BNC > coax adapter so we went out to Rat Shack and got one.
When we connected it digitally, the sound was vastly improved. I was very very impressed. especially given that this was not a good sounding room. the "tape" was very musical, very smooth mids and highs. the low-end was there and sounded very nice, not too punchy, but definitely there. this was not the tape to evaluate the low-end with though given the room and the PA. the low-end was not loose though, which is very common with the 140s (i use to run 140s>mme and 140s>v3). overall, i was very impressed with the sound of the tape. It reminded me of the smoothness and musicality that i loved when i had the 140s. I wouldn't say it was as crisp and detailed as the 140>v3 tapes I made, but again, this wasn't the tape to try and get a feel for the real sound of this box. Overall, I was very impressed with the sound of the source.
we were not able to get my PC to recognize the HD in the 722. whenever we would connect it to my PC, the 722 would lock up. Bart had this problem at home as well. overall, i am very impressed with the 722. the analog output stage is clearly sub-par. right now, it's hard to tell whether that's the D>A stage or the output circuitry, as I did not have mini-xlr's to use for that output stage.
i can't wait to hear this with various microphones in better rooms with better PAs. It should perform really well. I took some pics and will post them in a few minutes.
EDIT: 722 pics (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=36274.0)
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question on the battery - are lower power batteries any smaller, or are they all about that big? i'm much more interested in 3 hours or less of recording most of the time, and therefore i'd sacrific some running time to have a smaller battery.
the more juice, the bigger the size
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the fanny pack i currently have isn't wide enough to hold the 722 with the 4022 xlrs connected. if i got 2 right angle adapters (or very very short right angle cables) i might be able to fit it in since the 4022 xlrs wouldn't be sticking out an extra 2 inches on the left side
Scott,
Check out Walmart's sportsmen aisle in the sporting goods section. They have hunters' fannypacks that are huge! I use one for my JB3 and Denecke AD20. My XLRs are not right angle and everything fits fine. Bags run around $10.
T+ on your new toy. Thanks for the reviews too.
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Well I have finally found the box for me, can't forget the batteries or the tapes since one is attached and the other isn't needed. I posted earlier about mule tonight, but all I can say is that I am impressed with the pre in this thing. Anyone figure out how to doa complete hold on the machine like the button your P1 so you can get all buttons disabled? Hopefully if i figure out the Bt thing I will post some of this weekend's shows. El barto, you get that firewire issue fixed yet? Now I just need another show to do!
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when recording, you have to actually hold down certain buttons to make them work. it's kind of a hold automatically built in.
for exaple: hitting stop won't stop recording. you have to hold it for something like 350 milliseconds
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the buttons seem pretty instant to me when pressed, if I hit stop, it is automatic, as far as I can tell. There is no setting for the hold like application is there?
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There is no hold like that. You can lock the other buttons, but nothing likw what we are used to on DAT recorders.
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There is a hold function. From the FAQ:
Can the front panel controls be locked out to prevent unintended adjustment?
Yes, all front panel controls can be locked out by holding the brightness button and tone oscillator button simultaneously. In addition, when recording is occurring no button, including power, will take the unit out of record, except for a 200 ms hold of the stop/pause button. Recording is the primary function and the interface is designed to safeguard recording activity.
http://www.sounddevices.com/tech/7-faq.htm
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There is a hold function. From the FAQ:
except for a 200 ms hold of the stop/pause button.
In bold is the relavent part of that quote.
There is no way to lock the buttons such that bumping the stop key will not interrupt recording. I would not consider that a "hold function" in the most strict sense.
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There is a hold function. From the FAQ:
except for a 200 ms hold of the stop/pause button.
In bold is the relavent part of that quote.
There is no way to lock the buttons such that bumping the stop key will not interrupt recording. I would not consider that a "hold function" in the most strict sense.
What are you talking about? It says right there that holding the brightness button and tone oscillator button together will lock all of the front panel controls.
Now if you don't have it in this "hold" mode and you are recording, only a 200ms press of the stop button will stop the recording.
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I tried it on my 722. With the panel buttons locked, record and stop are still active.
You can't accidentally power off, but you can accidentally hit stop.
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I tried it on my 722. With the panel buttons locked, record and stop are still active.
You can't accidentally power off, but you can accidentally hit stop.
Weird. I wonder why the FAQ says otherwise. Maybe they'll be changing that in a firmware upgrade...
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OK, Nick at Tims house...has anyone successfully gotten a 24 bit file off the 722 and into wavelab or any other program? We can open his Mule show from last night in CD Wave and it shows accurately at 24 bit, but when we try to open the file in Wavelab, it shows file type unknown and sample at 16bit. When we open it there is nothing there. This is the same file that works in CD Wave. Not a computer problem either as it did the same thing at my house yesterday...
thoughts?
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works fine on my powerbook...
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works fine on my powerbook...
that helps thanks :P
any non mac geeks here :D
Nick
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maybe try opening in cdwave and saving, THEN opening in wavelab ???
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I'm a mac geek, but here are some things I learned along the way about BWF that may help.
First, I'm going to assume that you have a 2 channel source. If that's the case (and I suspect it is). Try saving in a mono Wave format. Some applications don't like BWF, try another format.
Try using audacity or some other application to open the file, then save it again as a wav file. It's possible that the file has some metadata that the sound application doesn't like. If that's the case, saving it again from some other application should fix that problem.
Hopefully one of these things will work... I think it's great that folks have finally gotten exciting new gear.
Wayne
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I tried it on my 722. With the panel buttons locked, record and stop are still active.
You can't accidentally power off, but you can accidentally hit stop.
Weird. I wonder why the FAQ says otherwise. Maybe they'll be changing that in a firmware upgrade...
I think that the faq is not as well written as it could be, but I still read that paragraph as meaning that the stop button is active during panel lock out. 200ms hold time for a button like that is a pretty weak threshhold. And the button is not protected behind a fence the way the V3 controls are.
I agree that SD needs to modify the software to include the stop button as one that is affected by hold. I can see this biting someone in the ass when stealthing.
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I can see this biting someone in the ass when stealthing.
Because as we all know, this thing was meant to be stuffed down your pants, so getting bit in the ass is a serious concern. ;D
Wayne
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When it came out of the box, did it say, " I am REAL !" like the M&M on the commercial ?
+T and congrats on a really nice piece of gear.
Stop by Portable_Tapeless_Recordists (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Portable_Tapeless_Recordists/) and let us know what you think. Feel free to post related information there as well.
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so, i was able to get the file to resave from audacity and then open in wave lab, the only problem is that when I save it, it says it is a 16/96 instead 24/96, anyone else with this problem? I can tell a definate difference then when I convert to 44.1 in wave laba nd burn it down, the show sound smuch more boomy and bassy than it did prior, so I am guessing something automatically filtered it down. What have you other folks been using and have you got any tips on converting??? Thanks!
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Because most of my shows are multi-track, I have to use a DAW to even get them ready for CD. For this I'm using Digital Performer 4.5, then I use Bias' Peak once I bounce the tracks to a two track 24-bit file.
I played with the Mac OS X version of Audacity, but I wasn't crazy about it, but I don't remember it having to convert 24-bit files to 16 bit files. hmmmm.... Sorry.
Wayne
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tim - have you tried Soundforge? I have had no problems opening 24 bit files in SF 6.0 and doing the necessary edits and changes to down to 16/44.1.
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yep, we tried soundforge and had the same issues. The system does not recognize the tracks to open them is the problem, even with soundforge. I'll check when i get home omake sure it is the 6.0 version.
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yep, we tried soundforge and had the same issues. The system does not recognize the tracks to open them is the problem, even with soundforge. I'll check when i get home omake sure it is the 6.0 version.
I wonder if it's having a problem with these being broadcast wave files. Can you convert to another format from within the 722?
Wayne
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honestly i am not sure, SD did just all me and say tehy will look into it and see what they can find out and call me back, thought it was prett good that they returned my message so quickly.
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yes, you can choose bwf or wav in the menu (along with mono or stereo)
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yes, you can choose bwf or wav in the menu (along with mono or stereo)
Which then begs the question, what format is the file in? And does it make a difference if it is output in a different format? (or is this something that is changed when you setup the recording?)
Wayne
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That was my next suggestion - I bet you have the file format set to Broadcast wave
you want .wav poly
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you want .wav poly
If this device works with the channels properly, you could choose .wav mono, and it should then give you your left channel in one file and your right channel in another file. These are just as easy to work with.
Also VERY handy to have is the Fostex utility for breaking BWF poly files into separate files, if folks haven't downloaded it yet, go do it, it is available for both the Mac and PC.
http://www.fostexdvd.net/fxdvd_route/docs/techsup/bwf_manager_1.htm
You might want to try using the BWF manager software first to see what happens since the file is already on your computer.
Wayne
(who went through a bunch of this type of pain when I first got my DEVA)
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the sample rates include:
48khz and 48.048khz
96khz and 96.096khz
why have a rate together with 1.001x the rate?
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the sample rates include:
48khz and 48.048khz
96khz and 96.096khz
why have a rate together with 1.001x the rate?
The 48.048 and 96.096 rates are for some film gear. Unless specifically asked for, you won't use those rates.
Wayne
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722 can be verticle.
I think that most harddrives are not supposed to be run upside down for extended periods. That may have changed with the newer drives. Regardless, the drive mounting in the 722 is such that as long as the unit is not upside down, the drive is not upside down.
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722 can be verticle.
I think that most harddrives are not supposed to be run upside down for extended periods. That may have changed with the newer drives. Regardless, the drive mounting in the 722 is such that as long as the unit is not upside down, the drive is not upside down.
Other than upside down, The Deva can be run in any orientation.
Wayne
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Inspired by Scott, I also replaced the HD in my 744T with the Hitachi 80 GB drive - after all, if he needs it in his 722, I need it twice as much in my 744T! note that there are two small white plastic screws holding the IDE connector on - you can see them peeking out from under the pink foam insulation strip towards the right side of his image #2085 (the top one is more visible). The case screws were a bitch to get aligned and screwed back in - Scott mentioned the small metal tabs that fit into small slots on the bottom plate and help align the bottom plate, I also found it worked better to leave the two front screws until last. Just like he reported, when I powered the unit back up it was ready to format the new drive, which only took like 30 sec.
Steve
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Question: How do I crank the headphone volume up on the 722? The manual says it's supposed to get VERY loud, but I have'nt been able to tell. Is it a limiter issue I have to get around?
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sorry if this is dumb, but you turned up the headphone volume all the way and it's not loud?
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sorry if this is dumb, but you turned up the headphone volume all the way and it's not loud?
Correct. I can't turn the volume up or down. When "1,2" is selected, nothing happens, but when "A,B" or "A,Bm" is selected, the headphone limiter peak indicator light comes on when the volume is turned up all the way, but there's still no volume increase/decrease.
*edit for clarification*
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The limiter has nothing to do with the headphone output. The light just happens to be over there. The limiter is on the mic 1/2 inputs. The enabling/disabling of this is on menu item 16.
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The limiter has nothing to do with the headphone output. The light just happens to be over there. The limiter is on the mic 1/2 inputs. The enabling/disabling of this is on menu item 16.
Read page 23 under "Headphone Peak". That's what i'm refering to.
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sorry if this is dumb, but you turned up the headphone volume all the way and it's not loud?
Correct. I can't turn the volume up or down. When "1,2" is selected, nothing happens, but when "A,B" or "A,Bm" is selected, the headphone limiter light comes on when the volume is turned up all the way, but there's still no volume increase/decrease. I'm thinking there's a way to disable the limiter function, but I have yet to figure it out.
when 1,2 is selected, you are monitoring the inputs 1 and 2 directly. Unless you have input, you should hear nothing.
when A,B is selected, you are monitoring the tracks written/read from the disk
I don't have themanual in front of me but I thought that the headphone has a peak indicator, not a limiter. The peak indicator is helpful when monitoring so you can dertermine if distortion it is due to the headphone amp clipping instead of further upstream.
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Sorry, I meant indicator, not limiter. When A,B is selected the indicator turns on (and stays on) when I turn up the volume, but there's still no volume increase.
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are you sure you've got the headphones in the headphone out and NOT the tape out?
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Not to be joking, but are you sure that you are using the phones jack and not the line jack?
Did you try the line output jack to see if that is affected by the phones volume control? I didn't look to see if those jacks are board mount or discretely wired. If they are discretely wired, it's possible that line and phone jacks were reversed during assembly.
In my case, the headphone jack and volume control worked as expected.
If you can't solve this, write SD through the support page. They have been really responsive for me.
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are you sure you've got the headphones in the headphone out and NOT the tape out?
Wow! I'm a dumb ass. I've been using tape out the whole time. One of these days I will learn how to start paying attention. Thanks, Scott.
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NICE! kev
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...twas too long before Christmas, and all through the house...with visions of 722's dancing about! SOOOOOOO nice.
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I'm really impressed, it also makes me want to get a rig together again.... almost ;)
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just a follow up...the problem that Tim and I were having about getting files off the 722 and recognized properly by wavelab...the issue turns out to be that any file over 2 Gb, wavelab has issues with....We set the split at 2Gb before BHTM and everything came off properly and was recognized as 24/96...
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Did you see any thing like Damon did with one track being a sample larger than the other?
(I'm thinking the computer did that and not the 722 but just wondering).
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Did you see any thing like Damon did with one track being a sample larger than the other?
(I'm thinking the computer did that and not the 722 but just wondering).
nope..didnt see anything like that on the BHTM or carbonleaf shows I pulled over...
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alright, likely a dumb question...but I am assuming there is a way to not provide phantom with the 722...right??
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alright, likely a dumb question...but I am assuming there is a way to not provide phantom with the 722...right??
there is a switch above the inputs to switch form mic to line
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ok, so that would disengage phantom? allowing the xlr ins to be used for a source already gettiner power from another source?
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To control phantom power, you need to hold down the tone key and then press the HDD and MENU keys.
The LEDS on the left side will indicate status of phantom power. You'll see them toggle as you press the left side control keys.
The switch above the XLR does not control phantom. The 722 will supply phantom to line level inputs for situations where a mic has a hot enough signal that the mic preamps need to be out of circuit.
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To control phantom power, you need to hold down the tone key and then press the HDD and MENU keys.
The LEDS on the left side will indicate status of phantom power. You'll see them toggle as you press the left side control keys.
The switch above the XLR does not control phantom. The 722 will supply phantom to line level inputs for situations where a mic has a hot enough signal that the mic preamps need to be out of circuit.
thanks michael, good info,
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To control phantom power, you need to hold down the tone key and then press the HDD and MENU keys.
The LEDS on the left side will indicate status of phantom power. You'll see them toggle as you press the left side control keys.
The switch above the XLR does not control phantom. The 722 will supply phantom to line level inputs for situations where a mic has a hot enough signal that the mic preamps need to be out of circuit.
cool thanks, I just wanted to make sure there was a way to manually toggle phantom off, since with the jk labs setup I wont need it....
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nick-why do you want another battery in your setup via the jk labs box ???
i would think one more battery would be a pain, just one more thing to worry about charging
if ya take the phantom from your pre, you only have to worry about that battery
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Can the JKL boxes run off phantom supplied by another device?
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Can the JKL boxes run off phantom supplied by another device?
No they can only be powered by internal 9v batteries.
Joe
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Can the JKL boxes run off phantom supplied by another device?
yes, but you have to specify when ordering the unit.
the version I have, the ECMS-23 draws phantom power from the downstream preamp.
the ECMS-22, like what Lee had and NickGregory is getting has an internal 9v that supplies phantom
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ok, makes sense if youre gonna stealth w/ it
i would get one that draws phantom down the chain, via the v3 since i never stealth
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according to Jon the batter lasts for ~200 hours...and since there should be sonic difference between phantom from the device or the 9V system that Jon creates, it allows me to run my preamp longer without having phantom assist in draining the pre's batts...
stealth is another reason as well....
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according to Jon the batter lasts for ~200 hours...and since there should be sonic difference between phantom from the device or the 9V system that Jon creates, it allows me to run my preamp longer without having phantom assist in draining the pre's batts...
stealth is another reason as well....
I'm not doubting Jon by any means, he really knows his stuff, but I just cant figure out how 1 9V will provide up to 48V phantom for @200 hours...
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according to Jon the batter lasts for ~200 hours...and since there should be sonic difference between phantom from the device or the 9V system that Jon creates, it allows me to run my preamp longer without having phantom assist in draining the pre's batts...
stealth is another reason as well....
I'm not doubting Jon by any means, he really knows his stuff, but I just cant figure out how 1 9V will provide up to 48V phantom for @200 hours...
he explained it to me that the caps dont actually need 48V (nor do they get them when the bodies are in the equation as the bodies take some of that power) and when he makes a box that takes its power from the preamp, he actually has to step down the power before it gets to the caps....at least that is how I understood him
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Well this is news to me. I've asked Jon about this before and he told me the only option was to use internal batteries. In fact I believe he said that it wwas more trouble than it was worth to redesign the device so it could run off phantom power.
So the only differance is that the ECMS-23 can be externally powered and the 22 needs the internal 9v?
Does this result in a smaller box?
Joe
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Well this is news to me. I've asked Jon about this before and he told me the only option was to use internal batteries. In fact I believe he said that it wwas more trouble than it was worth to redesign the device so it could run off phantom power.
So the only differance is that the ECMS-23 can be externally powered and the 22 needs the internal 9v?
Does this result in a smaller box?
Joe
from what I understand, mine is the first to be powered via phantom.
I wanted it to be a strict replacement of the mic bodies, nothing more.
the box is 4.75" x 2.5" x 1.5"; I dont know the measurements of the ECMS-22...
I would guess the ECMS-22 is the same size as there is plenty of room in the ECMS-23 for a 9v+additional electronics.
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The ECMS-22 functions as a mic body replacement only, no preamp. This is what I was going to order soon. I guess I need to inquire about the ECMS-23 as well.
It sounds like phantom powering is the only differance with the 23. It would make sence to use the same case etc for both.
Joe
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stupid question...but is there a thread or better a website where i can get info on jklabs boxes? im not thinking of buying on or anything, just interested in the products
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stupid question...but is there a thread or better a website where i can get info on jklabs boxes? im not thinking of buying on or anything, just interested in the products
Try doing a search here there have been several threads on their products. There is also good information on their site http://home.no.net/jklabs
Joe
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exactly what i was looking for. thanks +T, seaching this site only brought up posts by JK Labs, and searching the web yielded nothing.
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Looks like the ECMS-22 and -23 use different boxes. My ECMS-22 is 4.25" x 3.25" x 1.5".
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in case anyone is interested, my MG200s>722 BHTM tape is up at the archive...
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=37266.0
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Ditto for my DPA4021>722 Bridge recording. (http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=22981)
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The switch above the XLR does not control phantom.
Let me retract this statement because it depends on how you have your box configured. I posted what I remembered as the behavior of the box. But I had my box configured to provide phantom when in line input mode. I played with the 48V power controls last night and now I have a different story.
From the menu, you can configure the box so that when you move the switch between line and mic positions, 48V is disengaged or engaged respectively. You can also configure the box so that 48V is engaged when input switch is set to line. This is the case I described.
But here is something I discovered that could be a problem in the field: If you have the menu selection set to provide 48V to "line and mic", you can move the input select switch and 48V stays enabled, as exepected. However, if you are in that mode and use the panel shortcut keys to turn off 48V, then the menu setting silently changes to "mic only" and you will not be able to turn on phantom to line level again unless you navigate the menu and reenable the setting to provide 48V to line inputs.
This could be a problem if you go line in and need to swap the mic cables quickly in the field. I figured I could work around this by powering down the 722, swap cables, then power on again. That was faster than navigating the menu to restore 48V to my line inputs.
I can see where this might be considered a safety feature, but I don't like SW to silently change it's configuration.
Edited for spelling.
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I can only get those shortcuts to toggle 48V if the input selector is on mic mode. In line mode the short cut will turn off 48V but will not turn it on.
Can you try this on yours? Enable 48V in line mode via the menu, then use the shortcuts and see if you can get 48V to come on again after the short cut turns it off.
michael
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If I'm running really hot mics in a situation with high SPLs, I might want to go line in directly instead of using the mic input. In one of my email exchanges with SD, I was told that they provided the feature for that purpose.
But after the discussion in "722 line in comments" I'm not sure that you can really bypass the mic stage anyway.
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another reason might be to send p48 to something like a JKlabs box that outputs a line level signal.