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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #315 on: July 27, 2015, 08:41:49 AM »
R44 question of the week:

Been synching 2 of them together with the 1/8" jack for over a year. Everything has sync'd perfectly. Never had anything go wrong, long, or out of sync.

The only problems have been when the levels are just too low or 2 hot and I've needed a preamp.
So now I want to sync them together with both of them set to digital and analog. But for some reason, I just can't get the second one to accept a digital signal when they are plugged together.

Is it possible? I don't see why not?

Any advice?

Anyway. I use a small eagle creek when I'm just using 1. Plenty of room to pad everything.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #316 on: July 27, 2015, 09:07:36 AM »
I've never sync'd two R-44, but I recall something about digital-in being unavailable on the 2nd when set to 'slave' mode.  That would make logical sense if the 2nd is actually clock-syncing to the 'master' recorder through the sync-jack (which has never been firmly established or refuted), rather than via S/PDIF (which definitely clock-syncs, yet dedicates the digital audio input to whatever is providing S/PDIF clock to it).

[edit] ^This has been tested and refuted.  Sync to a second R44 works while using digital-in from an external source to the Master recorder.  Just don't turn on phantom power for the digital input channels (ch1&2).  jb63 reported sucess a few pages later in this thread in this post- http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=153957.msg2209911#msg2209911
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #317 on: July 27, 2015, 02:18:49 PM »
That's it!
I guess I have too many digital preamps for this job!
Who wants to trade a mini me for a mini mp for a month?

Thanks gutbucket!
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #318 on: October 21, 2015, 06:37:53 PM »
Here's another stupid question.
I've actually asked Doug but I forget the answer.

Does the concert mod on the r44 retain the low noise floor without phantom power on?
That is, running my mini MP into channels 1&2 with phantom off + running
Mics into channels 3&4 with phantom power on would both benefit from his chip mod, correct?

I don't see why it wouldn't, but just because this place is a wealth of knowledge and I just spent too long trying to search for this, I thought I'd post the question.

Sigh. Where did the time go?
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #319 on: October 21, 2015, 10:28:30 PM »
Yes.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #320 on: March 01, 2016, 10:51:40 AM »
Sorry to ask this question, but I searched and couldn't find an answer. What is the largest card you guys are using with the R-44?  I have been using a 32gig card.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #321 on: March 01, 2016, 04:11:45 PM »
AFAIK, 32GB is the max supported size.  That's mostly what I use, but also the largest cards I own.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #322 on: March 02, 2016, 09:05:32 AM »
AFAIK, 32GB is the max supported size.  That's mostly what I use, but also the largest cards I own.

Yeah I tried a 64 GB card ( Class 10) last night that I had for a DSLR, The R-44 Would not recognize the card.

Mics: AKG c480b's, c460b's, c452eb's ( A60's, A51's ,A61's CK61, CK63, CK1, CK3 CK22, CK8), AKG C414 XLII/ST, AKG CK1x, CK3x M46,  Church Audio CA-11 ( Card and Omni)
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #323 on: March 02, 2016, 11:10:50 AM »
Would Roland be able to increase supported card size via a firmware upgrade?  Or is this a limitation of the hardware?

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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #324 on: March 02, 2016, 11:38:13 AM »
Dunno.

R-44 was developed when SDHC was the current latest/largest available SD card spec., prior to SDXD.  Support for later cards may be unavailable due to the chips in the recorder not being able to handle them, but I'm only speculating.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #325 on: March 02, 2016, 10:24:00 PM »
Dunno.

R-44 was developed when SDHC was the current latest/largest available SD card spec., prior to SDXD.  Support for later cards may be unavailable due to the chips in the recorder not being able to handle them, but I'm only speculating.

Likely speculating, but probably on point with that answer.

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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #326 on: March 13, 2016, 09:22:37 PM »
Something weird tonight. 

Taping a solo guitar + vox.

Pots at three o clock, seems like I shouldn't have to crank them so much to peak between -12 and -6db in 24/48.

I see the levels peak around -6 or -3 and the "1L" lights up like it clipped. But it wasn't near zero. Then the "1R" did the same thing.  They both went on and off for a bit then stopped.

Can the chip think it's clipping if the levels don't show it near zero?
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #327 on: March 13, 2016, 09:35:09 PM »
Something weird tonight. 

Taping a solo guitar + vox.

Pots at three o clock, seems like I shouldn't have to crank them so much to peak between -12 and -6db in 24/48.

I see the levels peak around -6 or -3 and the "1L" lights up like it clipped. But it wasn't near zero. Then the "1R" did the same thing.  They both went on and off for a bit then stopped.

Can the chip think it's clipping if the levels don't show it near zero?

It's doing it around -8db. Weird.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #328 on: March 13, 2016, 11:52:03 PM »
just got home and uploaded it to audacity... it DEFINITELY chopped off the tops of my waves around -8dbs. 

this is fucked up.  what is going on?
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #329 on: March 25, 2016, 11:26:11 AM »
Is your fader level turned down (like 9 o clock)? It seems like somewhere along the way your signal got amplified too much..?

not sure what i am talking about..

 

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