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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #270 on: July 03, 2018, 09:16:44 PM »
not seeing that. why dont you copy/paste the part where it actually says that?
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #271 on: July 03, 2018, 11:14:45 PM »
not seeing that. why dont you copy/paste the part where it actually says that?

Q:When does the Hybrid Limiter function operate?
A:..., or whenever the Dual Level Recording is being engaged, the normal (non-Hybrid) limiter will be activated.

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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #272 on: July 03, 2018, 11:21:57 PM »
Is it just on the "backup" track or both tracks?
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #273 on: July 03, 2018, 11:36:58 PM »
Is it just on the "backup" track or both tracks?

Both tracks!
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #274 on: July 04, 2018, 03:14:52 PM »
That's a real bummer.  Maybe it's something they could change with a firmware update though (assuming they want to).
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #275 on: July 04, 2018, 06:25:57 PM »
Er - selective quote!  Let's be careful here -

"The Hybrid Limiter function on the R-07 operates under the following conditions.

"Limiter": ON
"Input Level": 60 or higher

* The Hybrid Limiter function does not operate when Rec Mode is set to "2xWAV (Dual Level Recording)."
* When the Limiter is ON and the Input Level is 59 or lower, or whenever the Dual Level Recording is being engaged, the normal (non-Hybrid) limiter will be activated.
* For more details about the Limiter function and its settings, refer to the Reference Guide (p. 16), "Using Limiter or AGC.""

It's confusingly written, but I'm reading that to say that the limiter is on only when the limiter is "on".  Then it goes on to set out the condition where, with the limiter on, the hybrid or normal limiter is used.  If using Dual Level Recording, the normal limiter will be activated, not the hybrid limiter - if "limiter" is set "on".

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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #276 on: July 04, 2018, 10:06:00 PM »
Yes, no bad info please. When i ran 2x wav my main file was limited in some way even though i had nothing "on" at 42
But my safety track was perfect just 20db lower in volume. Answer my own question? I only run 1x wav with no safety track
and 1-100 gain range. In 1100+ stealth shows i have recorded i would have only benefitted from a safety track once, so not really needed at all.
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #277 on: July 05, 2018, 12:35:14 AM »
Got to use the R-07 for another board feed at an outdoor Canada Day concert. Had the input level around 10 and with clean results.

Re-tried using the remote app via bluetooth and even with line of sight, the connection still crapped out barely 8 feet away. I tweeted Roland Canada asking about the weak bluetooth range. No response.
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #278 on: July 05, 2018, 08:44:11 AM »
So it sounds like when using dual level recording some sort of limiter is on no matter what...? 
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #279 on: July 05, 2018, 10:14:24 AM »
The Bluetooth only works when the recorder
and phone are near each other. It has been reported
over and over again.
Once again, Roland makes a great product
and people like to tear it down. What about the spectacular
mic in and line out, that smokes anything else?
What is the big deal with the phone app? I don’t use
it, not needed, one more thing to go wrong.
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #280 on: July 05, 2018, 12:00:52 PM »
The Bluetooth only works when the recorder
and phone are near each other. It has been reported
over and over again.
Once again, Roland makes a great product
and people like to tear it down. What about the spectacular
mic in and line out, that smokes anything else?
What is the big deal with the phone app? I don’t use
it, not needed, one more thing to go wrong.
You are correct Ed!

It makes a great recording and is easy to use. It is an improvement over the R-05 which was a great deck. I never cared for a remote either, but I like that I can put the deck locked in my pocket or small pouch and control from my phone. That is a nice change for me, and it works well once you understand the dynamics. Link, use, close app, when needed link again. For the most part once the show begins, maybe a small adjustment (but usually that can be done in post) then let it record. This way there is no chance of messing up the recording.

So far it is bashed by either people who do not own one or people that have limited understanding of how to use a deck to record live music with a Battery Box or Preamp and external mics.
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #281 on: July 05, 2018, 01:43:09 PM »
I've yet to use it for real, but everything about my R-07 so far has been positive. If the live recordings are as good as the M10 then I'm going to be happy. I don't need the bluetooth to work over yards, just inches will do for me. If I can pull my phone out of my pocket, check and change levels, then that makes my experience much more enjoyable. Pulling out the M10, connected to cables was always a concern. The safety track is an extra bonus.
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #282 on: July 05, 2018, 03:06:04 PM »
The Bluetooth only works when the recorder
and phone are near each other. It has been reported
over and over again.
Once again, Roland makes a great product
and people like to tear it down. What about the spectacular
mic in and line out, that smokes anything else?
What is the big deal with the phone app? I don’t use
it, not needed, one more thing to go wrong.

Roland just tweeted back saying "Bluetooth transmitting should be 30 ft line of sight. Please contact our product specialists via our online support forum"

I don't want to tear down the product, but the bluetooth remote is the main reason I was even interested in the R-07. I'm a music photographer. I take photos from the photo pit and also record video. I frequently get board feeds. Getting from the photo pit to front of house to hit stop/record between every band when there's a sold out crowd in a nightclub is a pain. When the R-07 was announced I thought it might be a perfect solution. I could potentially be able to hit record from the front of the stage and monitor levels at the start of each band's set. So spending the $300 and finding out that I can't step away 8 feet without losing connection is extremely disappointing.
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #283 on: July 05, 2018, 10:41:07 PM »
Actually I didn’t mean you magmazing
I just was talking about bad intel on
a product. I think people expect too much
out of a $229 consumer product. It’s the cheapest
link in my chain and to me a drop in the ocean campared
to what I spent on all my other gear in this hobby.

I have left recorders by the board for shows and started them
2 hours before show time and let them run all night. You don’t need
Bluetooth just good batteries
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Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
« Reply #284 on: July 06, 2018, 12:10:02 AM »
I think everyone expects too much out of cheap little recorders. It's kinda weird to run a pair of $1500 capsules into the preamp of a consumer deck that costs $250. I would have never done that in my open taping days. Concessions for 😈
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