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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #255 on: August 09, 2014, 12:11:39 AM »
capnhook, the cable doesn't sync the two decks' clocks. It only conveys stop/start signals from one deck to the other.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #256 on: August 09, 2014, 02:30:28 PM »
capnhook, the cable doesn't sync the two decks' clocks. It only conveys stop/start signals from one deck to the other.

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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #257 on: August 09, 2014, 04:29:28 PM »
The question I have is:

If the R-44 is set to record 4 analog inputs (not recording the digital in), will it still sync it's clock to a SPDIF stream reaching it's digital input which is running at the same nominal sampling rate?

If so, just use both cables.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #258 on: August 09, 2014, 04:54:04 PM »
Any 1/8>1/8 cable will work to sync the decks??  TIA
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #259 on: August 09, 2014, 05:14:13 PM »
Any 1/8>1/8 cable will work to sync the decks??  TIA

The 1/8" connectors only sync control (record/pause/stop) not clock

If you want to sync clock you must also use a spdif cable and set the second unit's clock to sync to ext from the menu
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #260 on: August 09, 2014, 05:20:52 PM »
Yes, I understood that part!  Thanks

Any 1/8>1/8 cable will work to sync the decks??  TIA

The 1/8" connectors only sync control (record/pause/stop) not clock

If you want to sync clock you must also use a spdif cable and set the second unit's clock to sync to ext from the menu
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #261 on: August 09, 2014, 06:47:34 PM »
If you want to sync clock you must also use a spdif cable and set the second unit's clock to sync to ext from the menu

There is no menu switch specifically controlling external clock sync.

These are the menu switches related to this-

Recording Setup menu:
Input Select: ANALOG/DIGITAL (switches what is recorded to ch1&2, the SPDIF input or the analog inputs)
Rec Freq: 44.1 thru 192kHz (the internal clock rate)
System Setup menu:
Sync mode- MASTER/SLAVE (effects the transport control functions, not the clock)

Regardless of the settings of either of those menu switches, this is the behavior when a digital input is applied:

There is no way to set any r-44 clocks to external OR internal.

There is, but there is no menu switch.  The R-44 automatically senses the clock rate of an incoming SPDIF stream.  If that SPDIF stream does not match the clock rate the R-44 is set to in the record menu, the sampling rate indicator on the R-44 display will blink, indicating that the clock-sync is not locked.

The sampling rate indicator on the display will either be steadily illuminated, indicating one of these two conditions..
1) no SPDIF input, using the internal clock
- OR -
2) sync established to the SPDIF input (only possible when the R44 record/menu selection has been set to the same clock rate)

Or it will blink, indicating that it senses an external SPDIF stream but is not locked to it for whatever reason and is using the internal clock.

I can confirm that blinking/non-blinking sample rate indicator behavior on the display.  It is my assumption (the part in bold above) that clock-sync is positively established when there is an active SPDIF connection and the indicator is not-blinking.  However, I've not examined files to confirm that conclusively, nor actually used the deck that way.

That's why I asked for actual confirmation of that a few posts above.  If so it is simplest way to provide clock-sync without sacrificing two channels to record the SPDIF input.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #262 on: August 09, 2014, 07:01:41 PM »
capnhook, the cable doesn't sync the two decks' clocks. It only conveys stop/start signals from one deck to the other.

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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #263 on: August 09, 2014, 08:30:39 PM »

There is no menu switch specifically controlling external clock sync.

These are the menu switches related to this-

Recording Setup menu:
Input Select: ANALOG/DIGITAL (switches what is recorded to ch1&2, the SPDIF input or the analog inputs)
Rec Freq: 44.1 thru 192kHz (the internal clock rate)
System Setup menu:
Sync mode- MASTER/SLAVE (effects the transport control functions, not the clock)

Regardless of the settings of either of those menu switches, this is the behavior when a digital input is applied:



Correct - I reviewed the manual and their is no way to set the clock - my bad
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #264 on: August 11, 2014, 09:15:35 PM »
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #265 on: August 12, 2014, 09:36:18 AM »
Ah, that's a hint.  ;)
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #266 on: August 29, 2014, 01:18:45 PM »
OK, I am so tired of just coming here with stupid questions and problems.

(sigh)

But I survived the summer taping extravaganza, and the end result is: i seem to have fried the battery plug on my R44.

It works with batteries now, but does not accept the any input from the dvd cable or the power plug.
Tried a factory reset, but wasn't willing to risk much more than that.
I'm guessing that has happened to more than one person here, so I figure someone can tell me what I've done and what its going to cost me.

And now...

...that fall taping season begins on Monday!

Thanks again!
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #267 on: August 29, 2014, 02:05:35 PM »

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Have not heard of that happening (though don't have the institutional memory of some around here).  Hope it never happens to me... 
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #268 on: August 29, 2014, 02:33:27 PM »
^^  I have heard of this happening but only a few times at most and reported somewhere in the vastness of these R-44 threads.  IIRC, there is a tiny fuse on the board at the AC input that will blow if over-pushed on voltage to protect the rest of the electronics.  I recall someone posting a picture of the innards here and I believe it was DigiGal who spotted/diagnosed it.  Unless I'm mistaken and somebody on these boards can fix it, I think you have to send it to Edirol/Roland to get taken care of.  No idea what the cost is. 

This is a pretty hearty deck so it's a very rare occurrence when it happens.  Were you using an external battery to power the R-44 or wall power?

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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #269 on: August 29, 2014, 03:09:32 PM »
I remember digigal's pics showing 2 fuses soldered immediately next to the power plug

Both seemed to be easy to find and replace
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